Would You Accept A Rapist Playing For City?

[dobobobo]

Yes I read that.

However if you read that website there are links of CCTV footage showing the girl going into the hotel with clayton McDonald and she doesn't seem that drunk. In fact she runs out on her own as she had left her pizza in the taxi and went back for it.

It also seems strange that clayton McDonald can be found innocent as she gave consent to him but was too drunk to give consent to ched Evans. It doesn't seem to make sense that she can be too drunk for one but not the other.

So the police, CPS, a jury and a judge are wrong, but you are right because you read a one sided website AND even though you weren't involved in the investing nor trail?

Fuck this shit, I'm going back to watching the Chelsea match and stripping wallpaper than waste time talking to Judge Dredd.

I'm not saying they are wrong. I am just saying it's not as clear cut as people seem to think. Only some of the story gets reported in the papers and if you read things on that website it's quite interesting to read certain pieces of evidence that I didn't know about from the papers.

No fucking shit, that's why we have the justice system that we have, if there was better system we would have that.

FACT is Mr Evans was found GUILTY and is about to of served his time. I don't recall anyone disputing that in this thread, what I have seen through out this thread is people answering the fucking question which you seem to of missed. (It's in the thread title if you can't find it.)

 

[paulchapo]

I am not sure of the full facts of this case,i seem to remember reading the girl was paralytic and both men had sex with her and i think filmed it? As she was in no fit state to consent it would be technically classed as rape.

The evidence must have been pretty strong as he wasn't even given leave to appeal.

Football fans can be unforgiving at the best of times and i think a convicted rapist,time served or not,would get dog's abuse everytime he played.It would be a brave club to take him on.As for that Plymouth keeper he killed two kids and should have been banged up longer,i wouldn't want him playing for us either.

Yes I read that.

However if you read that website there are links of CCTV footage showing the girl going into the hotel with clayton McDonald and she doesn't seem that drunk. In fact she runs out on her own as she had left her pizza in the taxi and went back for it.

It also seems strange that clayton McDonald can be found innocent as she gave consent to him but was too drunk to give consent to ched Evans. It doesn't seem to make sense that she can be too drunk for one but not the other.

I think Clayton McDonald was found not guilty because the girl went to the hotel with him and agreed to have sex with him and him only.Ched Evans saw an opportunity and took it,again i am not certain but i THINK after the girl had passed out/fallen asleep due to having too much to drink.There was no consent so that is rape.

 

[goater1978]

LOL you're a cretin, it being a link to a broadsheet newspaper means fuck all, especially when it is a fucking blog!

Like I have said in this thread before, Lance Armstrong got banned from profressional cycling for life after being found guilty of taking dope. That doesn't mean he can't get a job, it means he can no longer do one form of sport as a career.

Lance Armstrong cheated in his profession and was rightly banned from it for ever.

Ched Evans raped someone. I don't see the relation between that and football?

What job do you want him to do? Bin man? Would you be comfortable having your bins collected by a convicted rapist?

My point about Lance Armstong is the FA could make a rule that if a footballer is ever convicted they can no longer play that form of sport.

As for bin men, there is nothing wrong with that profression, it's a vital job in society.

As for Ched Evans, he is free to do whatever job an employer is willing to employ him to do. But before you talk more shit, seeing as I pay money to watch football, I don't want to watch a rapist kick a ball round for my entertainment. I pay my council tax but do not have any problems with him collecting my bins providing he does it properly like I expect every bin man or woman to do. And, based on my own experience, I have found the bin men employed by Trafford council provide a great service.

As a matter of interest do you watch the movies of roman Polanski? Millions of people watch his films and he wins awards for them. Yet he is also wanted in America for rape. He's arguably worse than ched as he has never been punished for his crime.

Despite this though I enjoyed watching "the pianist". Great movie.

On your lance Armstrong point, it's terribly weak. He cheated in his sport. Cheds crime is completely unrelated to football.

 

[dobobobo]

Lance Armstrong cheated in his profession and was rightly banned from it for ever.

Ched Evans raped someone. I don't see the relation between that and football?

What job do you want him to do? Bin man? Would you be comfortable having your bins collected by a convicted rapist?

My point about Lance Armstong is the FA could make a rule that if a footballer is ever convicted they can no longer play that form of sport.

As for bin men, there is nothing wrong with that profression, it's a vital job in society.

As for Ched Evans, he is free to do whatever job an employer is willing to employ him to do. But before you talk more shit, seeing as I pay money to watch football, I don't want to watch a rapist kick a ball round for my entertainment. I pay my council tax but do not have any problems with him collecting my bins providing he does it properly like I expect every bin man or woman to do. And, based on my own experience, I have found the bin men employed by Trafford council provide a great service.

As a matter of interest do you watch the movies of roman Polanski? Millions of people watch his films and he wins awards for them. Yet he is also wanted in America for rape. He's arguably worse than ched as he has never been punished for his crime.

Despite this though I enjoyed watching "the pianist". Great movie.

On your lance Armstrong point, it's terribly weak. He cheated in his sport. Cheds crime is completely unrelated to football.

I have seen some of his films till I found out the alledged crime. And before you talk some more, though he has never been found guilty, I took the decision not to watch any more of the films he directed on the basis that he has never faced the allegatioin.

As for your opinion of my Lance Armstrong point, you're entitled to that opinion. But, my point is valid no matter how weak one may view it to be.

 

[goater1978]

My point about Lance Armstong is the FA could make a rule that if a footballer is ever convicted they can no longer play that form of sport.

As for bin men, there is nothing wrong with that profression, it's a vital job in society.

As for Ched Evans, he is free to do whatever job an employer is willing to employ him to do. But before you talk more shit, seeing as I pay money to watch football, I don't want to watch a rapist kick a ball round for my entertainment. I pay my council tax but do not have any problems with him collecting my bins providing he does it properly like I expect every bin man or woman to do. And, based on my own experience, I have found the bin men employed by Trafford council provide a great service.

As a matter of interest do you watch the movies of roman Polanski? Millions of people watch his films and he wins awards for them. Yet he is also wanted in America for rape. He's arguably worse than ched as he has never been punished for his crime.

Despite this though I enjoyed watching "the pianist". Great movie.

On your lance Armstrong point, it's terribly weak. He cheated in his sport. Cheds crime is completely unrelated to football.

I have seen some of his films till I found out the alledged crime. And before you talk some more, though he has never been found guilty, I took the decision not to watch any more of the films he directed on the basis that he has never faced the allegatioin.

As for your opinion of my Lance Armstrong point, you're entitled to that opinion. But, my point is valid no matter how weak one may view it to be.

How about mike Tyson? Convicted rapist who was allowed to box again? I assume you never watched any of his fights either?

The lance Armstrong point is weak because his "crime" was firstly not punished in a court of law and secondly was against the sport he was taking part in. He cheated in his sport so was rightly banned, although in my opinion a lifetime ban was excessive.

Ched Evans's crime was unrelated to sport and had no impact on football at all. He was also dealt with by the courts. Therefore comparing them is ridiculous.

However I've just read the whole thread and saw the "mouth or arse" comment so I think you may be a bit of an idiot.

I think it's best if we draw a line under it and agree that you're wrong ;-)

 

[dobobobo]

As a matter of interest do you watch the movies of roman Polanski? Millions of people watch his films and he wins awards for them. Yet he is also wanted in America for rape. He's arguably worse than ched as he has never been punished for his crime.

Despite this though I enjoyed watching "the pianist". Great movie.

On your lance Armstrong point, it's terribly weak. He cheated in his sport. Cheds crime is completely unrelated to football.

I have seen some of his films till I found out the alledged crime. And before you talk some more, though he has never been found guilty, I took the decision not to watch any more of the films he directed on the basis that he has never faced the allegatioin.

As for your opinion of my Lance Armstrong point, you're entitled to that opinion. But, my point is valid no matter how weak one may view it to be.

How about mike Tyson? Convicted rapist who was allowed to box again? I assume you never watched any of his fights either?

The lance Armstrong point is weak because his "crime" was firstly not punished in a court of law and secondly was against the sport he was taking part in. He cheated in his sport so was rightly banned, although in my opinion a lifetime ban was excessive.

Ched Evans's crime was unrelated to sport and had no impact on football at all. He was also dealt with by the courts. Therefore comparing them is ridiculous.

However I've just read the whole thread and saw the "mouth or arse" comment so I think you may be a bit of an idiot.

I think it's best if we draw a line under it and agree that you're wrong ;-)

You assume a lot when people post and then write as if the poster made those points.

1) My view, as I said earlier is that the FA should bring in a rule that means anyone convicted of a crime is banned from football for life. My view, is if a sportsman can be banned for life by that particular sports authority AND it does not break any employment law (e.g. Lance Armstrong) then I don't know why football cannot do the same whether the player cheated or committed a crime in or outside of their work.

2) I assumed the poster who I aimed the "mouth or arse" comment at was male. Men do not have a vagina, therefore I did not include the word vagina in my post. The reason why I made that point was I was trying to get the poster consider his view further by putting himself "inside the shoes" of a rape victim. If he had done that and still stood by his view then I would of had no problem with that. As it stands the poster never came back with a response. So anyone else can read it how they want, my point was made to that poster alone. If anyone thinks I am an idiot, I could not give a flying fuck. Like I don't think you give a flying fuck that I called you a cretin earlier.

 

[dobobobo]

Oh and I don't like boxing, so never had to face that problem.

I did face it when he suddenly appeared in the Hangover film and as a result didn't buy the DVD even though I would like to.

You got any more people from show business?

 

[aguero93:20]

I was beaming ear to ear when Lewis knocked fuck out of Tyson.

 

[paulchapo]

The subject matter of the original question has veered off topic slightly.It was,''Would you accept a rapist playing for CITY?''

We probably will all agree that supporting City is a big part of our lives,we feel an emotional attatchment,a bond,like a family.That is a lot different to watching a film,or Mike Tyson box.I am sure Ched Evans has to make a living when he is released from prison and try to rebuild his life.Even if he was Messi i wouldn't want to see him in the sky blue shirt,it just wouldn't feel right.I also wouldn't want to work in my present job with a convicted rapist no matter how long he had served.Sure he has to make a living somewhere but that isn't my problem,working alongside him or watching him run out in a City shirt would be.

 

[Shaelumstash]

The subject matter of the original question has veered off topic slightly.It was,''Would you accept a rapist playing for CITY?''

We probably will all agree that supporting City is a big part of our lives,we feel an emotional attatchment,a bond,like a family.That is a lot different to watching a film,or Mike Tyson box.I am sure Ched Evans has to make a living when he is released from prison and try to rebuild his life.Even if he was Messi i wouldn't want to see him in the sky blue shirt,it just wouldn't feel right.I also wouldn't want to work in my present job with a convicted rapist no matter how long he had served.Sure he has to make a living somewhere but that isn't my problem,working alongside him or watching him run out in a City shirt would be.

This is a good point, supporters have an emotional attachment to City that is more meaningful than towards a film director / boxer.

A good example would be, would you be happy to set up your daughter / sister / mother with a convicted rapist? Would the fact that they'd "served their time" override your feelings towards your family member?

 

[goater1978]

The subject matter of the original question has veered off topic slightly.It was,''Would you accept a rapist playing for CITY?''

We probably will all agree that supporting City is a big part of our lives,we feel an emotional attatchment,a bond,like a family.That is a lot different to watching a film,or Mike Tyson box.I am sure Ched Evans has to make a living when he is released from prison and try to rebuild his life.Even if he was Messi i wouldn't want to see him in the sky blue shirt,it just wouldn't feel right.I also wouldn't want to work in my present job with a convicted rapist no matter how long he had served.Sure he has to make a living somewhere but that isn't my problem,working alongside him or watching him run out in a City shirt would be.

This is a good point, supporters have an emotional attachment to City that is more meaningful than towards a film director / boxer.

A good example would be, would you be happy to set up your daughter / sister / mother with a convicted rapist? Would the fact that they'd "served their time" override your feelings towards your family member?

The questions not "happy" though it's "accept". If a member of your family brings home a partner that has a conviction for rape you probably wouldn't be happy about it but you would probably have to accept it.

At the end of the day Cheds got a lass so her family have to accept it.

 

[Shaelumstash]

The subject matter of the original question has veered off topic slightly.It was,''Would you accept a rapist playing for CITY?''

We probably will all agree that supporting City is a big part of our lives,we feel an emotional attatchment,a bond,like a family.That is a lot different to watching a film,or Mike Tyson box.I am sure Ched Evans has to make a living when he is released from prison and try to rebuild his life.Even if he was Messi i wouldn't want to see him in the sky blue shirt,it just wouldn't feel right.I also wouldn't want to work in my present job with a convicted rapist no matter how long he had served.Sure he has to make a living somewhere but that isn't my problem,working alongside him or watching him run out in a City shirt would be.

This is a good point, supporters have an emotional attachment to City that is more meaningful than towards a film director / boxer.

A good example would be, would you be happy to set up your daughter / sister / mother with a convicted rapist? Would the fact that they'd "served their time" override your feelings towards your family member?

The questions not "happy" though it's "accept". If a member of your family brings home a partner that has a conviction for rape you probably wouldn't be happy about it but you would probably have to accept it.

At the end of the day Cheds got a lass so her family have to accept it.

Yeh but that's the point, it's one thing to consider whether a rapist deserves another chance at a career / relationship, it's quite another whether you would approve of it for your club / family.

And the point you make isn't really applicable. If City were buying Ched Evans, it wouldn't be on the sly, and then they'd announce it once he'd been playing for us for 3 months. The question is whether it would be an issue for you, and in both cases for me it would.

 

[goater1978]

This is a good point, supporters have an emotional attachment to City that is more meaningful than towards a film director / boxer.

A good example would be, would you be happy to set up your daughter / sister / mother with a convicted rapist? Would the fact that they'd "served their time" override your feelings towards your family member?

The questions not "happy" though it's "accept". If a member of your family brings home a partner that has a conviction for rape you probably wouldn't be happy about it but you would probably have to accept it.

At the end of the day Cheds got a lass so her family have to accept it.

Yeh but that's the point, it's one thing to consider whether a rapist deserves another chance at a career / relationship, it's quite another whether you would approve of it for your club / family.

And the point you make isn't really applicable. If City were buying Ched Evans, it wouldn't be on the sly, and then they'd announce it once he'd been playing for us for 3 months. The question is whether it would be an issue for you, and in both cases for me it would.

An issue that would stop you supporting or going to city matches?

You say it would be an issue but if you still went to games and supported city then you would accept it. You just wouldn't be happy about it.

 

[paulchapo]

The subject matter of the original question has veered off topic slightly.It was,''Would you accept a rapist playing for CITY?''

We probably will all agree that supporting City is a big part of our lives,we feel an emotional attatchment,a bond,like a family.That is a lot different to watching a film,or Mike Tyson box.I am sure Ched Evans has to make a living when he is released from prison and try to rebuild his life.Even if he was Messi i wouldn't want to see him in the sky blue shirt,it just wouldn't feel right.I also wouldn't want to work in my present job with a convicted rapist no matter how long he had served.Sure he has to make a living somewhere but that isn't my problem,working alongside him or watching him run out in a City shirt would be.

This is a good point, supporters have an emotional attachment to City that is more meaningful than towards a film director / boxer.

A good example would be, would you be happy to set up your daughter / sister / mother with a convicted rapist? Would the fact that they'd "served their time" override your feelings towards your family member?

The questions not "happy" though it's "accept". If a member of your family brings home a partner that has a conviction for rape you probably wouldn't be happy about it but you would probably have to accept it.

At the end of the day Cheds got a lass so her family have to accept it.

Again we are veering off topic. The question was about playing for City,not someone as your prospective brother/son in law that takes it a stage further and adds even more emotion into the equation.

Who says any of us would accept it anyway,whether a member of our family loved them or not?

It is remarkable the girl has stuck by him,she has her own reasons as to why,the fact he cheated on her by having sex with the girl he was convicted of raping would be enough for most women to walk away.

 

[Shaelumstash]

The questions not "happy" though it's "accept". If a member of your family brings home a partner that has a conviction for rape you probably wouldn't be happy about it but you would probably have to accept it.

At the end of the day Cheds got a lass so her family have to accept it.

Yeh but that's the point, it's one thing to consider whether a rapist deserves another chance at a career / relationship, it's quite another whether you would approve of it for your club / family.

And the point you make isn't really applicable. If City were buying Ched Evans, it wouldn't be on the sly, and then they'd announce it once he'd been playing for us for 3 months. The question is whether it would be an issue for you, and in both cases for me it would.

An issue that would stop you supporting or going to city matches?

You say it would be an issue but if you still went to games and supported city then you would accept it. You just wouldn't be happy about it.

Well it's down to the context of how you define "accept" in this instance. I interpret it as would it have my blessing, and the answer to that is no. Would it be an issue for me? Yes. Would it stop me going to games? I'm not sure, I'd hope to never be in that position, but where do you draw the line? Would you "accept" it if we signed a nonce?

 

[phil-mcfc]

I understand and accept people's arguments about helping with the rehabilitation of people into society who have committed crimes. I suppose once they have served their sentence that the court deemed fit for their crime, they should then be allowed to move on with their lives.

However, the question here is would you accept him playing for City? Should he be allowed to play for our football club? This is the specifics of the situation and the answer for this situation should, in my opinion, be a most definite 'no'.

If, for example, City were to offer Ched Evans a contract, they (Manchester City - a team/company/employer known to millions around the world) would be seen to be endorsing, or at least, not objecting to, rape. It's because of this that he should not be allowed anywhere near a football club again. He can get another job, but not one in the public eye such as a professional footballer. Not one that makes wives, girlfriends and daughters uncomfortable about going to matches. Not one that gives him hours of screen-time around the world every month. Not one that puts him in a position where kids will worship him, until they're old enough to understand or find out what he's done.

Put him on a programme, help him, find him a job, but not one where he gets paid thousands of pounds a week to be a public figure and role model to millions. That ship's sailed.

 

[cibaman]

"Playing for City" muddles the issue, since we would be paying millions and he would achieve near superstar status.

Do I think Evans should have a chance to resurrect his career? Yes

Do I think he should re-start at Sheffield United or a similar level? Re-start his career where he left off? Probably not. It would seem more appropriate for him to drop down a couple of divisions initially. Earn something nearer to average earnings for a couple of years, at least until he's "served" the full 5 years.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

"Playing for City" muddles the issue, since we would be paying millions and he would achieve near superstar status.

Do I think Evans should have a chance to resurrect his career? Yes

Do I think he should re-start at Sheffield United or a similar level? Re-start his career where he left off? Probably not. It would seem more appropriate for him to drop down a couple of divisions initially. Earn something nearer to average earnings for a couple of years, at least until he's "served" the full 5 years.

In many ways I agree with this - I too think that once someone has served their time for any crime then they deserve a second chance, as the alternative would be thousands of folk coming out of custody with no chance of finding employment, which would just increase the risk of reoffending.
Where I do disagree is just where he resumes his career - he has done his time, and therefore should be entitled to work for any employer who is prepared to pay him - expecting him to earn less is simply punishing him again for an offence he has already been punished for, and this just isn't how the real world works anyway.
Jeffrey Archer wrote a best selling novel whilst in prison, so clearly he didn't suffer financially, and the Guinness fraudsters all got early release on medical grounds only to get well paid jobs in the city, so they weren't punished further either.
I can't stand rapists, but if they have served their sentence, then they should have the same employment prospects as the rest of us.

 

[goater1978]

Yeh but that's the point, it's one thing to consider whether a rapist deserves another chance at a career / relationship, it's quite another whether you would approve of it for your club / family.

And the point you make isn't really applicable. If City were buying Ched Evans, it wouldn't be on the sly, and then they'd announce it once he'd been playing for us for 3 months. The question is whether it would be an issue for you, and in both cases for me it would.

An issue that would stop you supporting or going to city matches?

You say it would be an issue but if you still went to games and supported city then you would accept it. You just wouldn't be happy about it.

Well it's down to the context of how you define "accept" in this instance. I interpret it as would it have my blessing, and the answer to that is no. Would it be an issue for me? Yes. Would it stop me going to games? I'm not sure, I'd hope to never be in that position, but where do you draw the line? Would you "accept" it if we signed a nonce?

Graham rix was a nonce and he continued his career in football on release.

 

[alib]

Van Persie could do a job as our 4th striker?