Would You Accept A Rapist Playing For City?

[dobobobo]

If you read the site it appears she was tweeting about how she was going to buy minis with the money she would make out of this. She does appear to be a rather unpleasant person.

So what you're saying is that all female football fans believe that once someone has served his time for a crime he should never be allowed to live his life and should be punished forever.

What do you want ched to do for the rest of his life? Sign on at the dole office?

I don't care what he does,the question is would we accept him here and my answer is NO

You're not a we.

You may not accept him but many people who believe in the rehabilitation Into society of people who have committed crimes would accept him.

As mentioned on here that keeper who killed two kids is now back playing football and has been made captain of Plymouth!

You goater1978 need to read the thread title.

 

[Davs 19]

I cant believe what i have just read,you should be ashamed of yourself

You should have a read of the website.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.chedevans.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.chedevans.com</a>

Obviously it's very one sided but it does seem like there are some circumstances that mean he may have been hard done by.

No one can defend rape but the courts are not the most reliable and mistakes do happen.

None of us were at court so that website means fuck all.

The police investigated, CPS said there was enough to charge him, a trial at court took place, Ched Evans was found guilty.

Unanimously, with the jury returning a verdict after just 5 hours and with the judge endorsing the verdict.

 

[dobobobo]

You should have a read of the website.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.chedevans.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.chedevans.com</a>

Obviously it's very one sided but it does seem like there are some circumstances that mean he may have been hard done by.

No one can defend rape but the courts are not the most reliable and mistakes do happen.

None of us were at court so that website means fuck all.

The police investigated, CPS said there was enough to charge him, a trial at court took place, Ched Evans was found guilty.

Unanimously, after just 5 hours, with the judge endorsing the verdict.

Yep!

And one second for the odd idiot from the public to blame the victim with no evidence provided.

 

[goater1978]

I don't care what he does,the question is would we accept him here and my answer is NO

You're not a we.

You may not accept him but many people who believe in the rehabilitation Into society of people who have committed crimes would accept him.

As mentioned on here that keeper who killed two kids is now back playing football and has been made captain of Plymouth!

That's not a justification. If you'd feel comfortable with our club employing a rapist, that's your view. I'd be surprised if the majority agreed with you.

I don't think I will be in the minority.

Of course there is always a loud uneducated minority who like to bang on about issues like this and try and take the moral high ground by saying that people should never be forgiven for their crimes.

We live in a civilised society that has said that the crime ched did was punished by a five year jail sentence and he can be released in 2 1/2 years. He has served this time and is now ready to move on with his life and go back to his job. I would like to think that most people would accept that.

In addition the majority of people complaining don't come from the club he is going to play for. There has been little sign of any sheffield united protest that they will soon be employing ched. So unless you are going to claim that sheffield united fans are different to fans of other teams I don't see how you can say that the majority of city fans would in the same situation refuse to accept it.

If we had a star striker who went to prison for rape and he came back to the club after his sentence I think we would welcome him back.

 

[goater1978]

I cant believe what i have just read,you should be ashamed of yourself

You should have a read of the website.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.chedevans.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.chedevans.com</a>

Obviously it's very one sided but it does seem like there are some circumstances that mean he may have been hard done by.

No one can defend rape but the courts are not the most reliable and mistakes do happen.

None of us were at court so that website means fuck all.

The police investigated, CPS said there was enough to charge him, a trial at court took place, Ched Evans was found guilty.

Yep juries have a 100% record of always being right......

 

[dobobobo]

You're not a we.

You may not accept him but many people who believe in the rehabilitation Into society of people who have committed crimes would accept him.

As mentioned on here that keeper who killed two kids is now back playing football and has been made captain of Plymouth!

That's not a justification. If you'd feel comfortable with our club employing a rapist, that's your view. I'd be surprised if the majority agreed with you.

I don't think I will be in the minority.

Of course there is always a loud uneducated minority who like to bang on about issues like this and try and take the moral high ground by saying that people should never be forgiven for their crimes.

We live in a civilised society that has said that the crime ched did was punished by a five year jail sentence and he can be released in 2 1/2 years. He has served this time and is now ready to move on with his life and go back to his job. I would like to think that most people would accept that.

In addition the majority of people complaining don't come from the club he is going to play for. There has been little sign of any sheffield united protest that they will soon be employing ched. So unless you are going to claim that sheffield united fans are different to fans of other teams I don't see how you can say that the majority of city fans would in the same situation refuse to accept it.

If we had a star striker who went to prison for rape and he came back to the club after his sentence I think we would welcome him back.

Please stop expressing your opinion as fact. As you have pointed out, you cannot speak for the majority.

 

[dobobobo]

You should have a read of the website.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.chedevans.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.chedevans.com</a>

Obviously it's very one sided but it does seem like there are some circumstances that mean he may have been hard done by.

No one can defend rape but the courts are not the most reliable and mistakes do happen.

None of us were at court so that website means fuck all.

The police investigated, CPS said there was enough to charge him, a trial at court took place, Ched Evans was found guilty.

Yep juries have a 100% record of always being right......

Please start presenting some evidence instead of making claims and providing links to claims as if they are factual.

 

[Davs 19]

You're not a we.

You may not accept him but many people who believe in the rehabilitation Into society of people who have committed crimes would accept him.

As mentioned on here that keeper who killed two kids is now back playing football and has been made captain of Plymouth!

That's not a justification. If you'd feel comfortable with our club employing a rapist, that's your view. I'd be surprised if the majority agreed with you.

I don't think I will be in the minority.

Of course there is always a loud uneducated minority who like to bang on about issues like this and try and take the moral high ground by saying that people should never be forgiven for their crimes.

We live in a civilised society that has said that the crime ched did was punished by a five year jail sentence and he can be released in 2 1/2 years. He has served this time and is now ready to move on with his life and go back to his job. I would like to think that most people would accept that.

In addition the majority of people complaining don't come from the club he is going to play for. There has been little sign of any sheffield united protest that they will soon be employing ched. So unless you are going to claim that sheffield united fans are different to fans of other teams I don't see how you can say that the majority of city fans would in the same situation refuse to accept it.

If we had a star striker who went to prison for rape and he came back to the club after his sentence I think we would welcome him back.[/


You must be aware of the irony.

I'm out now as no amount of logical debate and presentation of facts will alter your opinion.

Ched Evans is a convicted rapist.

Fact.

 

[goater1978]

None of us were at court so that website means fuck all.

The police investigated, CPS said there was enough to charge him, a trial at court took place, Ched Evans was found guilty.

Yep juries have a 100% record of always being right......

Please start presenting some evidence instead of making claims and providing links to claims as if they are factual.

You honestly need me to produce some links to show that juries don't always come up with the right verdict?

 

[goater1978]

That's not a justification. If you'd feel comfortable with our club employing a rapist, that's your view. I'd be surprised if the majority agreed with you.

I don't think I will be in the minority.

Of course there is always a loud uneducated minority who like to bang on about issues like this and try and take the moral high ground by saying that people should never be forgiven for their crimes.

We live in a civilised society that has said that the crime ched did was punished by a five year jail sentence and he can be released in 2 1/2 years. He has served this time and is now ready to move on with his life and go back to his job. I would like to think that most people would accept that.

In addition the majority of people complaining don't come from the club he is going to play for. There has been little sign of any sheffield united protest that they will soon be employing ched. So unless you are going to claim that sheffield united fans are different to fans of other teams I don't see how you can say that the majority of city fans would in the same situation refuse to accept it.

If we had a star striker who went to prison for rape and he came back to the club after his sentence I think we would welcome him back.[/


You must be aware of the irony.

I'm out now as no amount of logical debate and presentation of facts will alter your opinion.

Ched Evans is a convicted rapist.

Fact.

Yes I am not disputing that....

I suggest you read this column. It's a broadsheet newspaper I'm afraid so you may need someone to help you with the longer words.

<a class="postlink" href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100283231/the-medievalism-of-the-campaign-to-stop-ched-evans-from-getting-his-old-job-back/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brend ... -job-back/</a>

 

[paulchapo]

I am not sure of the full facts of this case,i seem to remember reading the girl was paralytic and both men had sex with her and i think filmed it? As she was in no fit state to consent it would be technically classed as rape.

The evidence must have been pretty strong as he wasn't even given leave to appeal.

Football fans can be unforgiving at the best of times and i think a convicted rapist,time served or not,would get dog's abuse everytime he played.It would be a brave club to take him on.As for that Plymouth keeper he killed two kids and should have been banged up longer,i wouldn't want him playing for us either.

 

[dobobobo]

Yep juries have a 100% record of always being right......

Please start presenting some evidence instead of making claims and providing links to claims as if they are factual.

You honestly need me to produce some links to show that juries don't always come up with the right verdict?

No I don't, because I never said that was untrue.

But you made your point as if no jury could be trusted. So with your point of view there is no point in having trails because no jury can be trusted.

If your point was factual then the jury process would of been reviewed and either restructured or done away with by now.

 

[Davs 19]

I don't think I will be in the minority.

Of course there is always a loud uneducated minority who like to bang on about issues like this and try and take the moral high ground by saying that people should never be forgiven for their crimes.

We live in a civilised society that has said that the crime ched did was punished by a five year jail sentence and he can be released in 2 1/2 years. He has served this time and is now ready to move on with his life and go back to his job. I would like to think that most people would accept that.

In addition the majority of people complaining don't come from the club he is going to play for. There has been little sign of any sheffield united protest that they will soon be employing ched. So unless you are going to claim that sheffield united fans are different to fans of other teams I don't see how you can say that the majority of city fans would in the same situation refuse to accept it.

If we had a star striker who went to prison for rape and he came back to the club after his sentence I think we would welcome him back.[/


You must be aware of the irony.

I'm out now as no amount of logical debate and presentation of facts will alter your opinion.

Ched Evans is a convicted rapist.

Fact.

Yes I am not disputing that....

I suggest you read this column. It's a broadsheet newspaper I'm afraid so you may need someone to help you with the longer words.

<a class="postlink" href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100283231/the-medievalism-of-the-campaign-to-stop-ched-evans-from-getting-his-old-job-back/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brend ... -job-back/</a>

I'll ask them to help you with your punctuation first.

There are a few on here with whom a battle of wits may cause concern.

You're not on that list.

I'll leave you to your touching belief that if something is printed in a 'broadsheet newspaper', it must be true.

Enjoy the rest of the evening.

 

[BLUEYESTU]

Maybe it would be a good idea to let the victim decide if he should be able to relaunch his career?

 

[goater1978]

I am not sure of the full facts of this case,i seem to remember reading the girl was paralytic and both men had sex with her and i think filmed it? As she was in no fit state to consent it would be technically classed as rape.

The evidence must have been pretty strong as he wasn't even given leave to appeal.

Football fans can be unforgiving at the best of times and i think a convicted rapist,time served or not,would get dog's abuse everytime he played.It would be a brave club to take him on.As for that Plymouth keeper he killed two kids and should have been banged up longer,i wouldn't want him playing for us either.

Yes I read that.

However if you read that website there are links of CCTV footage showing the girl going into the hotel with clayton McDonald and she doesn't seem that drunk. In fact she runs out on her own as she had left her pizza in the taxi and went back for it.

It also seems strange that clayton McDonald can be found innocent as she gave consent to him but was too drunk to give consent to ched Evans. It doesn't seem to make sense that she can be too drunk for one but not the other.

 

[dobobobo]

I don't think I will be in the minority.

Of course there is always a loud uneducated minority who like to bang on about issues like this and try and take the moral high ground by saying that people should never be forgiven for their crimes.

We live in a civilised society that has said that the crime ched did was punished by a five year jail sentence and he can be released in 2 1/2 years. He has served this time and is now ready to move on with his life and go back to his job. I would like to think that most people would accept that.

In addition the majority of people complaining don't come from the club he is going to play for. There has been little sign of any sheffield united protest that they will soon be employing ched. So unless you are going to claim that sheffield united fans are different to fans of other teams I don't see how you can say that the majority of city fans would in the same situation refuse to accept it.

If we had a star striker who went to prison for rape and he came back to the club after his sentence I think we would welcome him back.[/


You must be aware of the irony.

I'm out now as no amount of logical debate and presentation of facts will alter your opinion.

Ched Evans is a convicted rapist.

Fact.

Yes I am not disputing that....

I suggest you read this column. It's a broadsheet newspaper I'm afraid so you may need someone to help you with the longer words.

<a class="postlink" href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100283231/the-medievalism-of-the-campaign-to-stop-ched-evans-from-getting-his-old-job-back/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brend ... -job-back/</a>

LOL you're a cretin, it being a link to a broadsheet newspaper means fuck all, especially when it is a fucking blog!

Like I have said in this thread before, Lance Armstrong got banned from profressional cycling for life after being found guilty of taking dope. That doesn't mean he can't get a job, it means he can no longer do one form of sport as a career.

 

[goater1978]

I don't think I will be in the minority.

Of course there is always a loud uneducated minority who like to bang on about issues like this and try and take the moral high ground by saying that people should never be forgiven for their crimes.

We live in a civilised society that has said that the crime ched did was punished by a five year jail sentence and he can be released in 2 1/2 years. He has served this time and is now ready to move on with his life and go back to his job. I would like to think that most people would accept that.

In addition the majority of people complaining don't come from the club he is going to play for. There has been little sign of any sheffield united protest that they will soon be employing ched. So unless you are going to claim that sheffield united fans are different to fans of other teams I don't see how you can say that the majority of city fans would in the same situation refuse to accept it.

If we had a star striker who went to prison for rape and he came back to the club after his sentence I think we would welcome him back.[/


You must be aware of the irony.

I'm out now as no amount of logical debate and presentation of facts will alter your opinion.

Ched Evans is a convicted rapist.

Fact.

Yes I am not disputing that....

I suggest you read this column. It's a broadsheet newspaper I'm afraid so you may need someone to help you with the longer words.

<a class="postlink" href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100283231/the-medievalism-of-the-campaign-to-stop-ched-evans-from-getting-his-old-job-back/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brend ... -job-back/</a>

LOL you're a cretin, it being a link to a broadsheet newspaper means fuck all, especially when it is a fucking blog!

Like I have said in this thread before, Lance Armstrong got banned from profressional cycling for life after being found guilty of taking dope. That doesn't mean he can't get a job, it means he can no longer do one form of sport as a career.

Lance Armstrong cheated in his profession and was rightly banned from it for ever.

Ched Evans raped someone. I don't see the relation between that and football?

What job do you want him to do? Bin man? Would you be comfortable having your bins collected by a convicted rapist?

 

[dobobobo]

I am not sure of the full facts of this case,i seem to remember reading the girl was paralytic and both men had sex with her and i think filmed it? As she was in no fit state to consent it would be technically classed as rape.

The evidence must have been pretty strong as he wasn't even given leave to appeal.

Football fans can be unforgiving at the best of times and i think a convicted rapist,time served or not,would get dog's abuse everytime he played.It would be a brave club to take him on.As for that Plymouth keeper he killed two kids and should have been banged up longer,i wouldn't want him playing for us either.

Yes I read that.

However if you read that website there are links of CCTV footage showing the girl going into the hotel with clayton McDonald and she doesn't seem that drunk. In fact she runs out on her own as she had left her pizza in the taxi and went back for it.

It also seems strange that clayton McDonald can be found innocent as she gave consent to him but was too drunk to give consent to ched Evans. It doesn't seem to make sense that she can be too drunk for one but not the other.

So the police, CPS, a prosecution barrister, a jury and a judge are wrong, but you are right because you read a one sided website AND even though you weren't involved in the investigation nor trial?

Fuck this shit, I'm going back to watching the Chelsea match and stripping wallpaper than waste time talking to Judge Dredd.

 

[goater1978]

I am not sure of the full facts of this case,i seem to remember reading the girl was paralytic and both men had sex with her and i think filmed it? As she was in no fit state to consent it would be technically classed as rape.

The evidence must have been pretty strong as he wasn't even given leave to appeal.

Football fans can be unforgiving at the best of times and i think a convicted rapist,time served or not,would get dog's abuse everytime he played.It would be a brave club to take him on.As for that Plymouth keeper he killed two kids and should have been banged up longer,i wouldn't want him playing for us either.

Yes I read that.

However if you read that website there are links of CCTV footage showing the girl going into the hotel with clayton McDonald and she doesn't seem that drunk. In fact she runs out on her own as she had left her pizza in the taxi and went back for it.

It also seems strange that clayton McDonald can be found innocent as she gave consent to him but was too drunk to give consent to ched Evans. It doesn't seem to make sense that she can be too drunk for one but not the other.

So the police, CPS, a jury and a judge are wrong, but you are right because you read a one sided website AND even though you weren't involved in the investing nor trail?

Fuck this shit, I'm going back to watching the Chelsea match and stripping wallpaper than waste time talking to Judge Dredd.

I'm not saying they are wrong. I am just saying it's not as clear cut as people seem to think. Only some of the story gets reported in the papers and if you read things on that website it's quite interesting to read certain pieces of evidence that I didn't know about from the papers.

 

[dobobobo]

Yes I am not disputing that....

I suggest you read this column. It's a broadsheet newspaper I'm afraid so you may need someone to help you with the longer words.

<a class="postlink" href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100283231/the-medievalism-of-the-campaign-to-stop-ched-evans-from-getting-his-old-job-back/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brend ... -job-back/</a>

LOL you're a cretin, it being a link to a broadsheet newspaper means fuck all, especially when it is a fucking blog!

Like I have said in this thread before, Lance Armstrong got banned from profressional cycling for life after being found guilty of taking dope. That doesn't mean he can't get a job, it means he can no longer do one form of sport as a career.

Lance Armstrong cheated in his profession and was rightly banned from it for ever.

Ched Evans raped someone. I don't see the relation between that and football?

What job do you want him to do? Bin man? Would you be comfortable having your bins collected by a convicted rapist?

My point about Lance Armstong is the FA could make a rule that if a footballer is ever convicted they can no longer play that form of sport.

As for bin men, there is nothing wrong with that profression, it's a vital job in society.

As for Ched Evans, he is free to do whatever job an employer is willing to employ him to do. But before you talk more shit, seeing as I pay money to watch football, I don't want to watch a rapist kick a ball round for my entertainment. I pay my council tax but do not have any problems with him collecting my bins providing he does it properly like I expect every bin man or woman to do. And, based on my own experience, I have found the bin men employed by Trafford council provide a great service.