Would you accept this scenario?

I never suggested winning the league isn't the greater achievement, although winning the CL isn't a much lesser achievement. They each require different mental skills to overcome. The league is a marathon, but in theory you could win a league without ever beating your main competitors. The CL by comparison is a sprint, but that is arguably the tougher mental test because you have to be perfect to win it. Statistically speaking, the idea that the League is harder to win just doesn't stand to scrutiny. How many Leagues have we won compared to CL titles? If the CL were easier and "tin pot", as some cretins on here have labelled it, we'd have at least one by now.

On the luck thing, no, it isn't unlucky that you've conceded an equaliser in the dying moments. If you're winning by one goal you haven't killed the game off, have you? Why does luck come in it? See above, there's a possibility you have to play your perfect game to win a European Cup final. The Scousers thought they were unlucky against Madrid this year. They weren't, they were just unclinical. Madrid were clinical, they had the right mindset on the night. Shit bust. On penalties, did Haaland's penalty the other day leave anything to luck? It was unstoppable. No keeper saves that. Conversely, if you take a shit penalty, you risk losing: luck has nothing to do with it. Have our recent League Cup/FA Cup wins been lucky? Let's further the analogy, is Federer lucky he has eight Wimbledon titles, and Murray unlucky he only has two? Wimbledon is a knock-out competition after all.

The reality is the CL is the biggest club competition in the world, and our failures in it are now holding us back as a club. Would you not love to see one of our own win the Balón d'Or? We could potentially have one on our books in Erling: but here's the thing, I can absolutely guaran-fucking-tee you he isn't winning that accolade unless he lifts Big Ears; and you can take that to the bank.

I'm expectant, rather than hopeful, that this is going to be the season. Pep will want it with every fibre and we potentially have the best group of players we've ever had. I could give two shiny shits how we fare in the domestic cups this season, I'd be happy for Pep to play the C-teams in both. Try to get the League sewn up early, then we focus our attentions on the big one.

Nothing us holding us back as a club? The CL will be over when the SL rears its ugly head again. Winning the league is the benchmark football is all about tradition it doesn't have to be constantly reinvented for people who get bored easily.

I couldn't care less if we never win it, there again I have never snuggled up to a PS5 for company thinking that it's real life ;)
 
Nothing us holding us back as a club? The CL will be over when the SL rears its ugly head again. Winning the league is the benchmark football is all about tradition it doesn't have to be constantly reinvented for people who get bored easily.

I couldn't care less if we never win it, there again I have never snuggled up to a PS5 for company thinking that it's real life ;)
Snuggled up to a PS5? You've lost me mate.
 
Snuggled up to a PS5? You've lost me mate.

Games consoles have pushed the chumps league to the hilt mate, the music the teams the players. How anyone can even contemplate that a corrupt cup competition is near the league is beyond a lot of people.

Legacy fans would prefer the older European cup format and even then they'd prefer it just as an embellishment.
 
It would be fantastic to win it at last, but it doesn't detract from the fact that for the last 10 years we have seen some of the most beautiful football ever played in this country. The CL is a Christmas tree decoration, nice to have but it doesn't define how nice your house is. If you don't have it, you still live in a nice house 365 days a year. I could live with being the greatest team never to have won the CL - just like Pele is probably happy being the best player never to have played for England.
 
What kind of attitude is that? Because the morons would say you've only won one, let's just throw our hands up and say "fuck it, let's not win any."

By that logic, we should never have bothered winning our first Prem, because the morons would come back with, "we've won more."

I said this earlier in the thread, but if you aren't bothered about our continual failings in this competition then you don't have the club's best interests at heart.
My attitude is I’d rather win the league all day every day over any other trophy. How is that hard to grasp?

The champions league is a cup comp, it’s no greater than the FA Cup to me. It can be won be pure chance or it can’t. I don’t see it as the be all and end all. Would it be nice to win? Of course, but so is the league cup or charity shield.

My logic is not one of we need the monkey off our back. As other posters have alluded to. My logic is win your domestic title and then whatever else you win is an added bonus. I certainly would not be giving up a league title to a rival team for a European FA Cup.

PS thanks for telling me how my best interests are laid out though pal. Nice try.
 
I never suggested winning the league isn't the greater achievement, although winning the CL isn't a much lesser achievement. They each require different mental skills to overcome. The league is a marathon, but in theory you could win a league without ever beating your main competitors. The CL by comparison is a sprint, but that is arguably the tougher mental test because you have to be perfect to win it. Statistically speaking, the idea that the League is harder to win just doesn't stand to scrutiny. How many Leagues have we won compared to CL titles? If the CL were easier and "tin pot", as some cretins on here have labelled it, we'd have at least one by now.

On the luck thing, no, it isn't unlucky that you've conceded an equaliser in the dying moments. If you're winning by one goal you haven't killed the game off, have you? Why does luck come in it? See above, there's a possibility you have to play your perfect game to win a European Cup final. The Scousers thought they were unlucky against Madrid this year. They weren't, they were just unclinical. Madrid were clinical, they had the right mindset on the night. Shit bust. On penalties, did Haaland's penalty the other day leave anything to luck? It was unstoppable. No keeper saves that. Conversely, if you take a shit penalty, you risk losing: luck has nothing to do with it. Have our recent League Cup/FA Cup wins been lucky? Let's further the analogy, is Federer lucky he has eight Wimbledon titles, and Murray unlucky he only has two? Wimbledon is a knock-out competition after all.

The reality is the CL is the biggest club competition in the world, and our failures in it are now holding us back as a club. Would you not love to see one of our own win the Balón d'Or? We could potentially have one on our books in Erling: but here's the thing, I can absolutely guaran-fucking-tee you he isn't winning that accolade unless he lifts Big Ears; and you can take that to the bank.

I'm expectant, rather than hopeful, that this is going to be the season. Pep will want it with every fibre and we potentially have the best group of players we've ever had. I could give two shiny shits how we fare in the domestic cups this season, I'd be happy for Pep to play the C-teams in both. Try to get the League sewn up early, then we focus our attentions on the big one.

Good Luck.

And as for the league being sewn up early,forget that scenario this season,the months break put any hopes of that happening anytime soon,so come January,if we beat Chelsea in Carabao before the break,we will have the same situation as we have in previous seasons,in 4 comps,trying to win them all,which you do know deep down what is needed to win them all.......................LUCK
 
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My attitude is I’d rather win the league all day every day over any other trophy. How is that hard to grasp?

The champions league is a cup comp, it’s no greater than the FA Cup to me. It can be won be pure chance or it can’t. I don’t see it as the be all and end all. Would it be nice to win? Of course, but so is the league cup or charity shield.

My logic is not one of we need the monkey off our back. As other posters have alluded to. My logic is win your domestic title and then whatever else you win is an added bonus. I certainly would not be giving up a league title to a rival team for a European FA Cup.

PS thanks for telling me how my best interests are laid out though pal. Nice try.
Have you legitimately just compared the Champions League to the League cup and charity shield?
 
Like you did with the FA Cup in the response to me ?
I asked you if you thought our FA Cup wins were lucky. The implication from the other poster was that winning the LC/CS would bring the same satisfaction as winning the CL; which is batshit crazy.
 
My attitude is I’d rather win the league all day every day over any other trophy. How is that hard to grasp?

The champions league is a cup comp, it’s no greater than the FA Cup to me. It can be won be pure chance or it can’t. I don’t see it as the be all and end all. Would it be nice to win? Of course, but so is the league cup or charity shield.

My logic is not one of we need the monkey off our back. As other posters have alluded to. My logic is win your domestic title and then whatever else you win is an added bonus. I certainly would not be giving up a league title to a rival team for a European FA Cup.

PS thanks for telling me how my best interests are laid out though pal. Nice try.
I asked you if you thought our FA Cup wins were lucky. The implication from the other poster was that winning the LC/CS would bring the same satisfaction as winning the CL; which is batshit crazy.
Your comparison of it to a league title isn’t batshit crazy though?
 
I asked you if you thought our FA Cup wins were lucky. The implication from the other poster was that winning the LC/CS would bring the same satisfaction as winning the CL; which is batshit crazy.

One cup is the oldest club cup competition in the world and the other is a fabrication of money grubbing thieves which will be consigned to the bin in a few years as "Out of date".
 
I asked you if you thought our FA Cup wins were lucky. The implication from the other poster was that winning the LC/CS would bring the same satisfaction as winning the CL; which is batshit crazy.

Apart from Watford final,I'd say we were lucky yea 1-0 Stoke,and also unlucky in the 0-1 Wigan,because in that game Tevez should have put us 1 up,he didn't and they scored with virtually last kick of match,unlucky
 
That’s down to chance, not luck.

Someone who has won the Lottery has paid for a ticket and happened to have got, by chance and probability, the same six numbers out of 59 that came out of the machine that week.

There’s always a chance of that happening if you buy a ticket because the ticket buyer can only get numbers that are in the machine, even if the probability is slim, there’s always a chance.

Chance implies an unexpected coincidence; luck implies (like fate, omens, curses and other crackpot fictions of the human imagination) that some sort of magic is involved.

I've just put lotto on for tonight,and when the ticket was confirmed here is the message it says

GOOD LUCK​

 
Ok so this is all hypothetical but..,

Would you take the League finishing as it is if City were guaranteed champions league victory?

OK so the bad news is Arsenal win the league!
City win the champions league!
City win the FA Cup
City go out of League Cup, it is won by a team outside the media top 6
Chelsea, United and Liverpool all miss out on Champions league
Leeds are relegated

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Deal or no Deal

Initial post was only 4 games ago but Arsenal have another 12 points and we have won twice and dropped 3 points. Things have not shaped up very well for us with all our opponents out performing us from a points perspective

I’d 100% take that top 4 now if I was guaranteed the cup treble

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