Would you accept this scenario?

hilts said:
That's it in a nutshell though you won't be thanked for stating it. I say it every year winning the CL doesn't make you a great team but you can't be classed as one without winning it.
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Exactly this.

Look at the Messi situation. He's now universally regarded as the greatest player ever. That came AFTER winning the most prestigious national team trophy, the one trophy that hung over him like a dark cloud. Of course, people knew deep down he had a legitimate stake to that claim already, but winning the World Cup has now elevated his status above all others. Irrespective of how he played in the tournament, he has now "completed football", and is the greatest.

The same is true of our team, they are yet to "complete" club football. I've said it here many times, but it's worth repeating; if you want to go down as a truly historic club team, and regarded as one of the greats, then you have to win the European Cup, either as a Double or in close proximity to a couple of league trophies. I don't just want us to win it for myself, seeing Big Ears in Sky Blue ribbons would be wonderful; I want us to win it for the players too, they deserve the recognition it will bring.

Haaland craves being the very best. He lives and breathes football and will want a Balón d'Or to his name before he retires: you can take this to the bank as fact, he ISN'T winning a Balón d'Or unless he wins big ears.

There are two huge trophies in club football that players covet above all others, the domestic league and the European Cup. We've only won one of them; that needs to change. No more excuses now.
 
No

the idea of not winning the league cup is unthinkable ;-)

If we missed put on theleague I will take the champs league for a season to get the monkey of our back and to have completed winning the lot.

every year league is the most important though
 
PPT said:
I’d take the OP’s scenario for just one season to finally get the monkey off our backs
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There's only a monkey on your back if you allow it to be there.
The 17-18 side played, I believe, the greatest football that's been seen in the PL. By any reasonable criterion, it was a great side.
And yes, I would like us to win the CL. But no-one should be talking about sacrificing, prioritising, in my view.
 
Blue and true said:
Yes. We need the CL now, it's the biggest club trophy in the world and if we want to be ranked alongside the pantheon of greats; i.e Pep's Barca, the Milans of the 90's/00's, the threepeat Madrid, the numerous Bayern teams, a certain English team that I won't mention because I can't be arsed setting off the resident children of the forum; we need to win this trophy. It's an ever-growing stigma against the club and those City fans that don't think it is have got their heads buried firmly in the sand. You can't name a truly great European club that haven't won it, apart from ourselves. As of now, the priority is CL. Once it's in our cabinet we can get back to winning consecutive titles.

Needless to say, the goal should be winning both in the same season.
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Arsenal are still London’s biggest and most successful club despite never winning it and despite Chelsea winning two. I’d argue Chelsea’s stature as a club hasn’t really changed despite winning two. I could even put a case forward that Chelsea’s current stature as a club is slightly lower than it was during their original Mourinho-through to-Ancelotti era before they won the CL.

Forest have also won two but I still look at clubs like Sheffield Wednesday (two divisions below them and never won it) as bigger clubs than Forest.

Juventus are always seen as Italy’s biggest club despite winning five fewer European Cups than Milan.

Five English clubs have won the European Cup (United Liverpool Forest Villa and Chelsea), but only four have won three league titles in a row (Huddersfield Arsenal Liverpool and Unitedx2).

I actually agree with you that the section of fanbase needs to stop with their ‘I don’t care about the Champions League’ attitude too many of them have and that the CL is the biggest club competition of them all… but I’d just rather win three league titles in a row than win our first CL this season.

If we can with both, mind… then bloody great!
 
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SalfordCityBlue said:
We really need to win the Champions League to shut everyone up.
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You really think that will happen?
The dipper brigade will immediately say, “Come back and see us when you've won six”. The rag brigade will say, “Come back and see us when you've won three”. Real Madrid will say, “Give us a call when you've won fourteen, newbies”.
And everyone will say, “Do it without oil money and it'll mean something”.
I just don't care what others say about my club, when it is so palpably in bad faith. I don't even bother to engage the conversation in pubs and suchlike any more. Look, the players do want it, the owners do want it, and Pep clearly wants it. I'll be prepared to want it on their behalf.
 
Lovebitesandeveryfing said:
You really think that will happen?
The dipper brigade will immediately say, “Come back and see us when you've won six”. The rag brigade will say, “Come back and see us when you've won three”. Real Madrid will say, “Give us a call when you've won fourteen, newbies”.
And everyone will say, “Do it without oil money and it'll mean something”.
I just don't care what others say about my club, when it is so palpably in bad faith. I don't even bother to engage the conversation in pubs and suchlike any more. Look, the players do want it, the owners do want it, and Pep clearly wants it. I'll be prepared to want it on their behalf.
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Our achievements will never be enough in the eyes of those clubs and fans and the media… and even if we were ever up at Peñarol/Nacional Rangers/Celtic level of trophies won and were ahead of Real Madrid’s CL haul, youre right, people would still be saying it doesn’t mean anything because it wouldn’t happen without ‘Oil Money’.
 
Lovebitesandeveryfing said:
There's only a monkey on your back if you allow it to be there.
The 17-18 side played, I believe, the greatest football that's been seen in the PL. By any reasonable criterion, it was a great side.
And yes, I would like us to win the CL. But no-one should be talking about sacrificing, prioritising, in my view.
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Got to disagree to be honest. The monkey is most definitely on Pep's back and he all but admitted as much.
It's the only stick the media have left to beat us with. Just how much would we like to take that stick off them? I most certainly would. To win the CL and finish second in the PL would hardly be a bad season by anyone's standards I would reckon ;-)
 
PPT said:
Got to disagree to be honest. The monkey is most definitely on Pep's back and he all but admitted as much.
It's the only stick the media have left to beat us with. Just how much would we like to take that stick off them? I most certainly would. To win the CL and finish second in the PL would hardly be a bad season by anyone's standards I would reckon ;-)
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I’ll take that deal as long as we come second to Arteta, Gabby and Zinchenko.
 
NorthamptonBlue said:
I’ll take that deal as long as we come second to Arteta, Gabby and Zinchenko.
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Southern redshirts, I’d rather shove a rusty screwdriver up my Jap’s eye than Arsenal win the league.

Arteta can get fucked.
 
A few weeks on and I suspect most people would, we have been pathetic against Southampton and poor then cheated in the league. Maybe this is our year for Champions league
 
MadchesterCity said:
Ok so this is all hypothetical but..,

Would you take the League finishing as it is if City were guaranteed champions league victory?

OK so the bad news is Arsenal win the league!
City win the champions league!
City win the FA Cup
City go out of League Cup, it is won by a team outside the media top 6
Chelsea, United and Liverpool all miss out on Champions league
Leeds are relegated

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Hell no!
 
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