Would you like Religion gone from the world ?

johnmc said:
tonea2003 said:
certain schools teach such beliefs as facts which they are clearly not or at the very least dubious and teach ways which are odious

Well thats a reflection on the school not the religion

It would be crazy to say if you sin thats you going to hell - in fact it is accepted everyone does sin - "Let those without sin cast the first stone"

Cop out, nice and easy to blame the school and not religion which instigates the policies which propagates it's way down into the teachings in schools.
 
tonea2003 said:
johnmc said:
tonea2003 said:
certain schools teach such beliefs as facts which they are clearly not or at the very least dubious and teach ways which are odious

Well thats a reflection on the school not the religion

It would be crazy to say if you sin thats you going to hell - in fact it is accepted everyone does sin - "Let those without sin cast the first stone"

Cop out, nice and easy to blame the school and not religion which instigates the policies which propagates it's way down into the teachings in schools.

I meant a reflection of the school you describe not the school system in general. I know of no school that teaches if you are bad you go to hell.
 
johnmc said:
tonea2003 said:
johnmc said:
Well thats a reflection on the school not the religion

It would be crazy to say if you sin thats you going to hell - in fact it is accepted everyone does sin - "Let those without sin cast the first stone"

Cop out, nice and easy to blame the school and not religion which instigates the policies which propagates it's way down into the teachings in schools.

I meant a reflection of the school you describe not the school system in general. I know of no school that teaches if you are bad you go to hell.

Plenty that say contraception is wrong
 
TheMightyQuinn said:
nijinsky's fetlocks said:
TheMightyQuinn said:
No.

Atheists who claim to 'know' that God doesn't exist are as banal, facile and cunty as religious people who claim to 'know' that God does exist.

I pity both sides equally.

In fairness,atheists very seldom start wars/crusades/jihads against agnostics,or indeed anyone who believes in a different beardy bloke in the sky who doesn't exist so,on balance,I think that they are a safer bet.
Plus they have all the good music,drugs and sexual perversion,which i'm sure must appeal to your baser urges in some deeply primal way.

I dislike both sides.

If it was proven that God doesn't exist then I'd stop taking drugs and listening to music to be honest!
Well I would hate to be the one to break any bad news, so if I were you I'd get myself down to the local Pentecostal as soon as possible. The alternatives don't bear thinking about.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
TheMightyQuinn said:
nijinsky's fetlocks said:
In fairness,atheists very seldom start wars/crusades/jihads against agnostics,or indeed anyone who believes in a different beardy bloke in the sky who doesn't exist so,on balance,I think that they are a safer bet.
Plus they have all the good music,drugs and sexual perversion,which i'm sure must appeal to your baser urges in some deeply primal way.

I dislike both sides.

If it was proven that God doesn't exist then I'd stop taking drugs and listening to music to be honest!
Well I would hate to be the one to break any bad news, so if I were you I'd get myself down to the local Pentecostal as soon as possible. The alternatives don't bear thinking about.

I've had dealings with God, I'm alright, yeah!
 
tonea2003 said:
johnmc said:
tonea2003 said:
Cop out, nice and easy to blame the school and not religion which instigates the policies which propagates it's way down into the teachings in schools.

I meant a reflection of the school you describe not the school system in general. I know of no school that teaches if you are bad you go to hell.

Plenty that say contraception is wrong

That's wrong obviously. But I can only go from personal experience and I was never told that, never told if you do wrong you go to hell, ne'er told sex before marriage is wrong.

I was told theft is wrong, to treat others how you would like be treated, to love the one you are with and not cheat, to not swear. Basically to be a decent person. I don't practice religion i just think it provides a decent framework to work within. Im not saying dont drink, dont swear, don't use contraception - all that is outdated.

Parenting is paramount but if it helps a little then why not use it. I know plenty of catholic lads who did go church and dont now. They are all good people. They never bombed anyone, never tried to force religion on anyone. Fundamentalism is a different ball game.
 
johnmc said:
tonea2003 said:
johnmc said:
I meant a reflection of the school you describe not the school system in general. I know of no school that teaches if you are bad you go to hell.

Plenty that say contraception is wrong

That's wrong obviously. But I can only go from personal experience and I was never told that, never told if you do wrong you go to hell, ne'er told sex before marriage is wrong.

I was told theft is wrong, to treat others how you would like be treated, to love the one you are with and not cheat, to not swear. Basically to be a decent person. I don't practice religion i just think it provides a decent framework to work within. Im not saying dont drink, dont swear, don't use contraception - all that is outdated.

Parenting is paramount but if it helps a little then why not use it. I know plenty of catholic lads who did go church and dont now. They are all good people. They never bombed anyone, never tried to force religion on anyone. Fundamentalism is a different ball game.

fundamentalism comes from religion. enough on its own to have religion banished from the world
for every good catholic there's a good non catholic so that's a non argument.
i'll say it again religious doctrine is not required for good parenting.
 
tonea2003 said:
johnmc said:
tonea2003 said:
Plenty that say contraception is wrong

That's wrong obviously. But I can only go from personal experience and I was never told that, never told if you do wrong you go to hell, ne'er told sex before marriage is wrong.

I was told theft is wrong, to treat others how you would like be treated, to love the one you are with and not cheat, to not swear. Basically to be a decent person. I don't practice religion i just think it provides a decent framework to work within. Im not saying dont drink, dont swear, don't use contraception - all that is outdated.

Parenting is paramount but if it helps a little then why not use it. I know plenty of catholic lads who did go church and dont now. They are all good people. They never bombed anyone, never tried to force religion on anyone. Fundamentalism is a different ball game.

fundamentalism comes from religion. enough on its own to have religion banished from the world
for every good catholic there's a good non catholic so that's a non argument.
i'll say it again religious doctrine is not required for good parenting.

Again, I never ever said you can't be a good parent unless your religious. I do not think thats the case. I've simply said it can be useful.

Fundamentalism is born out of religion. But hooliganism is born out of football. Anything taken to extreme is usually wrong that doesn't mean good can't come out of it if used/taught the correct way. There are billions of religious people an maybe a few thousand fundamentalists. So I'd say that was a non argument. Wars have started over religion yes. But wars have started over oil. Should we get rid of that. If it wasn't religion it would be land or money or something else.

And I used catholism as an example as thats what I know. I don't really believe in god so I'm not saying my religion is better or worse than any other or none at all.
 

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