Would you like Religion gone from the world ?

[johnmc]

So forcing religion on a child is abuse but bringing them up as a city fan, to play the piano, to learn anything before they have rational thoughts themselves is fine. You can't have it both ways. As long as when they are old enough you let them make their own minds up then in my book thats fine.

Also some of the most demanding human feats have been done in the name in religion. Not that i agree with them. Just the weak comment.

 

[SWP's back]

So forcing religion on a child is abuse but bringing them up as a city fan, to play the piano, to learn anything before they have rational thoughts themselves is fine. You can't have it both ways. As long as when they are old enough you let them make their own minds up then in my book thats fine.

Also some of the most demanding human feats have been done in the name in religion. Not that i agree with them. Just the weak comment.

No task is demanding if you think you have an eternity of bliss to follow.

As for bringing them up a football fan, you're intelligent enough to know the difference between religious indoctrination and football fanaticism. Football fanaticism never taught a kid that someone died for their sins. Never said that hells fury awaits if they are bad and don't follow the rules in a book written in the iron age, that 72 virgins await if they kill a utd fan on wembley way. Religion is far more powerful than that, or learning to play the piano.

 

[BulgarianPride]

As they developed intelligence and self awareness beyond that of animals and had no way of explaining why the sun rose or set, why the weather changed, why the earth shook, why droughts wiped out animals etc etc.

Much the same reason why it continued for the next 50 millenia. Fear, hope and a lack of knowledge.

You went a bit further than what i was thinking about. The first signs of religions comes from the Neanderthals that for some reason out of nowhere they started burying their dead. The same behavior then pops up with the modern humans. This is long before we were intelligent enough to question anything. Before this all the bones found were not buried, they were either tossed down mountains/hills or left where they were killed/eaten. Why does this behavior suddenly pop up?

Was religion a consequence of intelligence or was it the other way around? Did our intelligence evolve because of that first question that made early Humans and Neanderthals start burring their dead? From our modern perspective it makes sense to bury the death to stop diseases, but in some burials they carried their dead to the site and buried them with items. This is a clear sign of religion. The item is useless to the dead unless you believe they will use it in an after life. This still carries on today with the nonreligious people as well as the religious ones.

Religion has played a huge role in our evolution, like it or not, it is here to stay. It as a concept evolves as we and our thought processes evolve. Specific religions may not survive but religion as a concept will stay.

I don't care what role it played in our evolution, it is superfluous. Killing love/power rivals played a huge part in our evolution (far more than religion and Don't confuse our past with our evolution) but I don't think we need to do that either.

Also, you do Neanderthals a great dis-service. They were very intelligent and more than self aware.

As for JonathanMC, yes it soothes people and I am no one to tell anyone not to believe, but I reserve the right to ridicule religion and those too weak to get on in life without the "knowledge" that this isn't all their is. It's for the weak and weak minded. Fair play to them if they need it, I take great comfort from the wonder of the universe without having to know I'll live for ever in heaven. Organised monotheistic religion is, for me, outdated, out moded, backwards thinking, repressive and there is nothing religion can do that any normal good person coulddnt.

Atheism/agnosticism is the natural state we are born into and I've been on record several times to say I believe forcing religion on children is akin to abuse and all religious indoctrination should be banned. Let's see if it continued then.

I treated Neanderthals and modern humans the same. Behaviorally there were small difference, they went extinct, we didn't.

You say the "natural state" is atheism, and yet far back into our natural past we see religion. Our natural state is being eaten by larger animals, should we go back to it?

As for indoctrination, are you a city fan because of your dad or by your choice?

Religion is not unnecessary. It develops the brain other subject such as science cannot.

 

[u2fme2]

oh yes

 

[Scrabster Six]

I would ban religion but still make the free wine available at the hostelries called churches...

 

[SWP's back]

See above BP.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

oh yes

 

[johnmc]

So forcing religion on a child is abuse but bringing them up as a city fan, to play the piano, to learn anything before they have rational thoughts themselves is fine. You can't have it both ways. As long as when they are old enough you let them make their own minds up then in my book thats fine.

Also some of the most demanding human feats have been done in the name in religion. Not that i agree with them. Just the weak comment.

No task is demanding if you think you have an eternity of bliss to follow.

As for bringing them up a football fan, you're intelligent enough to know the difference between religious indoctrination and football fanaticism. Football fanaticism never taught a kid that someone died for their sins. Never said that hells fury awaits if they are bad and don't follow the rules in a book written in the iron age, that 72 virgins await if they kill a utd fan on wembley way. Religion is far more powerful than that, or learning to play the piano.

Thats what my dad told me! 30 years near enough of shite and now you tell me this.

I'm not saying they are the same thing but if you bring your child up a blue then you can bring them up a Jew/hindu/Mormon as long as when they are old enough they are allowed to make their own minds up.

And some people on here do have a strange opinion of what they do actually teach you. You dont have the fear of ahem god put into you if you ever swear or steal. It's fairly relax you know. There's no flogging or stoning In this country (fair enough there was an isolated incident a while ago)

Anyway you are probably right and I'm wrong so go to hell.

 

[BulgarianPride]

So forcing religion on a child is abuse but bringing them up as a city fan, to play the piano, to learn anything before they have rational thoughts themselves is fine. You can't have it both ways. As long as when they are old enough you let them make their own minds up then in my book thats fine.

Also some of the most demanding human feats have been done in the name in religion. Not that i agree with them. Just the weak comment.

No task is demanding if you think you have an eternity of bliss to follow.

As for bringing them up a football fan, you're intelligent enough to know the difference between religious indoctrination and football fanaticism. Football fanaticism never taught a kid that someone died for their sins. Never said that hells fury awaits if they are bad and don't follow the rules in a book written in the iron age, that 72 virgins await if they kill a utd fan on wembley way. Religion is far more powerful than that, or learning to play the piano.

Ah sorry i did not see this.

I have never been indoctrinated or been tough i go to hell for doing bad things. I was not scared into religion, i choose to believe. "Religious experience" is every limited from where you've been raised.

If it was not religion, extremists would kill in the name of something else.

 

[Alpha Kenny Wun]

Definately x