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I still think yaya could thrive in the alonso role under pep if staying disciplined! Also I can see us spending between 250-300 million in the summer pogba will cost going on 100m 40 on a center back 30 on a fullback another 60 on 2 center mids 30 on another wide player and 30 on a back up striker
 
Just to clarify, are you saying that without yaya toure our midfield is the worst in the premier league? or have I totally misunderstood
ok over the top with that one, its still not very good though is it ?
 
Maybe defensively more vulnerable but going forward we are toothless without him.

It comes in spells. I was far too critical of Yaya earlier in the season but the truth is that he just doesn't offer as much going forward as he used to (or on a less consistent basis anyway).

It's a scary thought that we're getting closer and closer to losing a player so closely involved with our recent success but we will find someone who can fill that gap and hopefully offer more and for a longer period of time. I can't wait to tell you the truth.
 
Maybe defensively more vulnerable but going forward we are toothless without him.

We are with him as well and that's been the problem all season. He's always been slow in possession but he's always had that explosiveness to change the tempo in a split second and create something out of nothing. That explosiveness has gone, not completely but not far short. Yaya was always unpredictable and that's what made him so special as a player, you couldn't get close to him because he'd outmuscle you, you couldn't stand off him because he'd spray passes around for fun and you couldn't stand him up because he'd dribble past you and shoot. Now he's slow, predictable and very easy to stop, he's finished at this level as a consistent force.

Unfortunately his stand-in has always been Fernando, who has to be one of the worst ball playing midfielders in the league. Personally I think Delph is the most capable partner for Fernandinho, if they got the communication right between those two we would have a very balanced pair, unfortunately his injuries have stopped that happening and with the quality we're apparently looking to bring in during the summer I'm not sure he'll ever get the chance to prove his value here.
 
We are with him as well and that's been the problem all season. He's always been slow in possession but he's always had that explosiveness to change the tempo in a split second and create something out of nothing. That explosiveness has gone, not completely but not far short. Yaya was always unpredictable and that's what made him so special as a player, you couldn't get close to him because he'd outmuscle you, you couldn't stand off him because he'd spray passes around for fun and you couldn't stand him up because he'd dribble past you and shoot. Now he's slow, predictable and very easy to stop, he's finished at this level as a consistent force.

Unfortunately his stand-in has always been Fernando, who has to be one of the worst ball playing midfielders in the league. Personally I think Delph is the most capable partner for Fernandinho, if they got the communication right between those two we would have a very balanced pair, unfortunately his injuries have stopped that happening and with the quality we're apparently looking to bring in during the summer I'm not sure he'll ever get the chance to prove his value here.
If you think Delph is even a better option that a one legged Toure, I would worry.
 
It comes in spells. I was far too critical of Yaya earlier in the season but the truth is that he just doesn't offer as much going forward as he used to (or on a less consistent basis anyway).

It's a scary thought that we're getting closer and closer to losing a player so closely involved with our recent success but we will find someone who can fill that gap and hopefully offer more and for a longer period of time. I can't wait to tell you the truth.
I bet he can't wait to hear it. Go on, spit it out.
 
Yup, a perfect summation Billy. And not just technical quality, but sheer power as well. We have somehow acquired a selection of small, non-tackling lightweights in midfield, who are easily bullied off the ball. The dippers couldn't do that to Ya Ya on Sunday, and nor could they prevent Fernandinho then tucking in to his right to snuff the threat of Coutinho out. Without him last night it was a fucking car crash with vast gaps between Silva, Kun and our two 8 stone touchline huggers.

Yours and Billy's posts just about sums it all up for me. It's amazing how many people scapegoat him, then see us without him, and ask themselves "why did we ask for that" ? Hey hum.
 
Yours and Billy's posts just about sums it all up for me. It's amazing how many people scapegoat him, then see us without him, and ask themselves "why did we ask for that" ? Hey hum.

The thing is that we can't play without him, but when we play with him people say he contributes little. The reality is that we haven't been able to win without him for 5 years now. Management knows this and that's why we've been linked with Pogba for so long. In fact, I'm shocked we didn't go for Kondogbia too.

The only other player we have that can drop deep for the ball, pass under pressure AND run with it at his feet.......is Nasri. Silva can do it, but if he does it then that gives the entire opposition defence time to reorganize and slows us down. Nasri has been a bigger miss than we realize
 
Probably easier to compare performances a little bit closer together, like the two this week when we had almost identical sides out.

Oh I get it, it doesn't fit in with your story so lets just all forget about it, haha!!
 
The thing is that we can't play without him, but when we play with him people say he contributes little. The reality is that we haven't been able to win without him for 5 years now. Management knows this and that's why we've been linked with Pogba for so long. In fact, I'm shocked we didn't go for Kondogbia too.

The only other player we have that can drop deep for the ball, pass under pressure AND run with it at his feet.......is Nasri. Silva can do it, but if he does it then that gives the entire opposition defence time to reorganize and slows us down. Nasri has been a bigger miss than we realize
Stop talking sense .
 
The difference between the two League games and the Cup Final was that the whole side physically fought Liverpool at Wembley. Have you all forgotten that? Liverpool humiliated us at home with Toure. It would have been worse had Toure played this week at Anfield.

The side was dead on its feet as it was. Put Toure in there, it would have been worse not better.
 
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