Young lads you want to see progress to the first team...

LoveCity said:
All of the mentioned + Harry Bunn, about the only Mancunian who stands even the slightest chance in the next few years.

But like Mourinho, Mancini prefers to buy than persist with youth products so I'm not sure even the exceptionally talented will get much of a chance (at least not until the pressure is off Mancini, if ever). Razak has the best chance as he plays a role we aren't massively overstocked with. Assulin/Roman/Suarez have their work cut out for them now with Nasri and Silva at the club although the latter two are still teenagers so lots of time.
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Mancini is buying because we didn't have enough top quality youngsters coming through to give the depth he wants for a PL/CL challenge. City are scouring the world for the most promising 16-18 year olds so they can be drip-fed into the first team squad over the next 3-5 years and so cut down on big money purchases.
 
Mancio said:
how do you know this ?
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Because not one has been given regular game time, even Boyata - a really, really top prospect - was demoted after a single mistake. But I also think if there was less pressure on him he might be willing to give more a chance but the pressure is strong and may not go away for years.

WNRH said:
How can you sat that when there are 5-6 mancunians in the under 18's now that have countless england caps, where as Harry Bunn has none.
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I said in the next few years, Bunn is at a more advanced stage of his progression compared to the academy team, hence him being promoted to the EDS last season. I mean Evans and Glendon only turned 16 a few months ago, while Bunn is 18 and 19 in three months so I hardly think they will be in first team reckoning any time soon if they have a chance at all.

lancs blue said:
Mancini is buying because we didn't have enough top quality youngsters coming through to give the depth he wants for a PL/CL challenge.
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Youngsters develop with well prepared loan moves (ie. Wilshere to Bolton) and experience at senior level. I'm willing to take a roasting for saying this but Abdul Razak is every bit as good as Tom Cleverley and with some game time, Guidetti can be every bit as useful as Welbeck - and both of them are starting for England's (current) top side.
 
LoveCity said:
All of the mentioned + Harry Bunn, about the only Mancunian who stands even the slightest chance in the next few years.

But like Mourinho, Mancini prefers to buy than persist with youth products so I'm not sure even the exceptionally talented will get much of a chance (at least not until the pressure is off Mancini, if ever). Razak has the best chance as he plays a role we aren't massively overstocked with. Assulin/Roman/Suarez have their work cut out for them now with Nasri and Silva at the club although the latter two are still teenagers so lots of time.
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To be fair I've heard from a mate whose mum cleans the academys kit that when Mancini took over the lads took a shine to him instantly as he introduced himself to the kids as well as the first team unlike Hughes who never even said hello to the young lads.

Also I've heard Mancini watches a few EDS games even when his kid isn't playing or he'll always get a coach to watch the ones he misses...
 
LoveCity said:
I said in the next few years, Bunn is at a more advanced stage of his progression compared to the academy team, hence him being promoted to the EDS last season. I mean Evans and Glendon only turned 16 a few months ago, while Bunn is 18 and 19 in three months so I hardly think they will be in first team reckoning any time soon if they have a chance at all.
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The thing is with strikers is that to make it at a top club like we are now, you have to be as good as the strikers currently there when you are 18,19.

Bunn will never get near to the level Aguero, Tevez, Dzeko and Balotelli and even though he is a year younger, he is nowhere near Guidetti.

With midfielders and strikers, you can wait until they are 21, 22, just look at Cleverley as an example.
 
Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot said:
To be fair I've heard from a mate whose mum cleans the academys kit that when Mancini took over the lads took a shine to him instantly as he introduced himself to the kids as well as the first team unlike Hughes who never even said hello to the young lads.

Also I've heard Mancini watches a few EDS games even when his kid isn't playing or he'll always get a coach to watch the ones he misses...
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He does, let me clarify - I don't think Mancini is willing to risk many of our extremely promising youths while there is so much pressure on him. I think Boyata's blunder against Arsenal may have strengthened this decision in his mind as it may have cost us the game.

I can understand that but at the same time I hope for a day when Mancini's position is solidified so much that a disappointing season wouldn't see him get his marching orders. Then he could play the best of the EDS and give them a chance to grow with the first team. Worst case scenario being they can't make it but have exposure that will increase their transfer value.
 
LoveCity said:
Mancio said:
how do you know this ?
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Because not one has been given regular game time, even Boyata - a really, really top prospect - was demoted after a single mistake. But I also think if there was less pressure on him he might be willing to give more a chance but the pressure is strong and may not go away for years.
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boyata is a very good prospect that unfortunally plays in the worst role for a youngster to play in.

CB is a position where every fuckyng mistake cost almost a goal , and a couple of mistakes might burn the youngster forever. so mancini is doing well protecting the guy.

other than boyata it seem to me there isnt much in the "old" accademy products. and the new ones currently are teenagers that have to wait and grow at least a couple of years becouse not even messi saw a lot of first team football until he was 20ish
 
LoveCity said:
Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot said:
To be fair I've heard from a mate whose mum cleans the academys kit that when Mancini took over the lads took a shine to him instantly as he introduced himself to the kids as well as the first team unlike Hughes who never even said hello to the young lads.

Also I've heard Mancini watches a few EDS games even when his kid isn't playing or he'll always get a coach to watch the ones he misses...
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He does, let me clarify - I don't think Mancini is willing to risk many of our extremely promising youths while there is so much pressure on him. I think Boyata's blunder against Arsenal may have strengthened this decision in his mind as it may have cost us the game.

I can understand that but at the same time I hope for a day when Mancini's position is solidified so much that a disappointing season wouldn't see him get his marching orders. Then he could play the best of the EDS and give them a chance to grow with the first team. Worst case scenario being they can't make it but have exposure that will increase their transfer value.
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ahhh yeah I pretty much agree with that mate.

I reckon the Carling Cup will see 2 or 3 youngsters introduced I think we see it as the less important honour to win, I'd love it if we won it or gotten as far as the semi's with 3 youngsters in the squad it would do wonders for them.
 
We'll definitely have to wait a few years to see most of them, the traditional English philosophy of ''if you're good enough, you're old enough'' has become seriously outmoded. Actually I remember reading one manager say literally that about giving a 15 year old his debut once. I can't remember the manager but the player was Matthew Etherington. I don't think much more needs to be said..
 
I dont bother about this so much nowadays. It used to be great when a local youngster made the grade. Unfortunately most of them are not even from this country never mind Manchester.

I doubt more than one or two of the current bunch will get regular game time in the next 2/3 years.

However these lads cannot complain. They have been given access to the best facilities in the country. They have experienced european trips, played with the likes of tevez and Silva, are paid well and given contracts even though they have little chance of playing for the first team in the next few years.

Shalem Logan probably earned a million quid with his 4 year contract and he played twice.

Most of them will go on to have good careers in the lower leagues and we were the reason for that. With us they are turned into footballers who have a brain and can remain cool under pressure. ideal qualities in the cut and thrust of the lower leagues.

One or two of them will make it big again like Whelan has done at Stoke and good luck to them
 
What does everyone think of about us exiting the reserve league people keep on saying these young players should get a chance in the league cup but if they dont go on loan then they are only going to play around 10 matches up until January so that will not help in there development.
 
greasedupdeafguy said:
What does everyone think of about us exiting the reserve league people keep on saying these young players should get a chance in the league cup but if they dont go on loan then they are only going to play around 10 matches up until January so that will not help in there development.
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I can see the youth being played in the Barclays Premier Academy League and the NextGen League.

It was a bit random leaving the reserves I never found out why they did that????
 
hopefully we can get some good loan moves for one or two of these youngsters, i'd love to see one go off to a premier league club for a while and get some games. Look at the good it did for both Joe Hart and Jack Wilshere. You would think there would be at least one of the newly promoted sides looking to strengthen in one area we can provide a player for.
 
Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot said:
greasedupdeafguy said:
What does everyone think of about us exiting the reserve league people keep on saying these young players should get a chance in the league cup but if they dont go on loan then they are only going to play around 10 matches up until January so that will not help in there development.
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I can see the youth being played in the Barclays Premier Academy League and the NextGen League.

It was a bit random leaving the reserves I never found out why they did that????
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But what about the likes of Razak, Warbara or any of the over 18
 
Well, Boyata will get a PL loan and QPR were interested in Guidetti but it looks like we may send him to Feyenoord instead while Tevez is still here.

I'm a bit disappointed Trippier didn't get a PL loan. He was a standout player in the Championship last season and we've loaned him right back there...
 
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