Zlatan Ibrahimovic

certainly dont want this guy

a huge disaster waiting to happen. He hasnt got the desire to make it in the prem, puts very little effort into games, dominated too easily, and despite his size he is so easily pushed off the ball. too slow and needs too much space and time.

disappears in most games..

i understand that he is technically gifted but he is not what we want.....

really hope this doesnt happen....id rather stick with what we have
 
simon23 said:
certainly dont want this guy

a huge disaster waiting to happen. He hasnt got the desire to make it in the prem, puts very little effort into games, dominated too easily, and despite his size he is so easily pushed off the ball. too slow and needs too much space and time.

disappears in most games..

i understand that he is technically gifted but he is not what we want.....

really hope this doesnt happen....id rather stick with what we have
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How do you know he's not got the desire? I'm not bothered about the fact that Ibra doesn't run about a lot, what i'm interested in, is having players who have technique, who have the ability with the ball at their feet to do the unexpected because at the moment we've only got a few players who fall into that catogary and Ibra is one of these players. The problem with fans in this country is that they fall into the trap that being hard work is more important that having extremely good technique

England squad is full of hard working players and at the moment the lack of technique in most of the players is showing. Of course if you can get someone with the ability of Zlatan and the work rate of a Tevez then great but you'll find most of the better players with the ball at their feet aren't going to run round and chase lost causes all the time, it's just one of those things
 
I think this is a disaster waiting to happen. I have never rated him and just because it seems we are in for him I am not going to change my opinion. If he signs he will get my full support but I can already see the headlines in the press and the comments on MOTD after he has ran only 174m in a full 90 mins! He will get crucified over here!
 
Why initiate a brand new thread for an 18 day old article, which I'm sure was already posted on the main Ibrahimovic thread? Smacked bottom for you...
 
Some people need to realise running around all game chasing the ball isn't something we need from every single player. We can afford to have 1 or 2 who only come to life in and around the box (E.g Robinho) as long as they are on form.

Fair enough, the lazier players may not become cult heroes for our support but they still have a part to play. Whilst i dont rate Berbatov at all, he scored around 15 goals last season for them, if we had 4 strikers with that ratio i think we would be looking at top 3.

Ibrahimovic is 1 of the top 5 strikers in the world, has won 9 leagues in 10 seasons accross Europe so to turn him down would be ridicuous. When Inter Milan collectively had a bad game they would pass it to him hoping he would produce something from nothing (sometimes he did).
 
ManCitizens. said:
Some people need to realise running around all game chasing the ball isn't something we need from every single player. We can afford to have 1 or 2 who only come to life in and around the box (E.g Robinho) as long as they are on form.

Fair enough, the lazier players may not become cult heroes for our support but they still have a part to play. Whilst i dont rate Berbatov at all, he scored around 15 goals last season for them, if we had 4 strikers with that ratio i think we would be looking at top 3.

Ibrahimovic is 1 of the top 5 strikers in the world, has won 9 leagues in 10 seasons accross Europe so to turn him down would be ridicuous. When Inter Milan collectively had a bad game they would pass it to him hoping he would produce something from nothing (sometimes he did).
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not sometimes. often he did.
 
ManCitizens. said:
Some people need to realise running around all game chasing the ball isn't something we need from every single player. We can afford to have 1 or 2 who only come to life in and around the box (E.g Robinho) as long as they are on form.

Fair enough, the lazier players may not become cult heroes for our support but they still have a part to play. Whilst i dont rate Berbatov at all, he scored around 15 goals last season for them, if we had 4 strikers with that ratio i think we would be looking at top 3.

Ibrahimovic is 1 of the top 5 strikers in the world, has won 9 leagues in 10 seasons accross Europe so to turn him down would be ridicuous. When Inter Milan collectively had a bad game they would pass it to him hoping he would produce something from nothing (sometimes he did).
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If he comes here and scores 20 goals a season I really dont care if he sits on his backside in the middle of the pitch for 89 minutes out of every game BUT lets not forget Adebayor scored 14 goals in 26 league games this season and yet was destroyed time and time again on here. The English mentality is that if you work hard you are a good player and if you dont you are a lazy git who should be sold! Maybe thats why our National team is no good!

Like I said Zlatan would get my full support if he came here but everyone knows even now before he has signed that it isnt going to be a bed of roses!
 
ManCitizens. said:
Some people need to realise running around all game chasing the ball isn't something we need from every single player. We can afford to have 1 or 2 who only come to life in and around the box (E.g Robinho) as long as they are on form.

Fair enough, the lazier players may not become cult heroes for our support but they still have a part to play. Whilst i dont rate Berbatov at all, he scored around 15 goals last season for them, if we had 4 strikers with that ratio i think we would be looking at top 3.

Ibrahimovic is 1 of the top 5 strikers in the world, has won 9 leagues in 10 seasons accross Europe so to turn him down would be ridicuous. When Inter Milan collectively had a bad game they would pass it to him hoping he would produce something from nothing (sometimes he did).
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That is arguable.

He needs a coach who can utilize his obvious strengths. That he had at Juventus and Inter with Capello, Mancini and Mourinho respectively. Managers who has the vision to deploy him to maximum effect.

The Barcelona style was different entirely to the ones employed in Holland where he played for Ajax and in Serie A. With Barca, his reaction time were clearly to slow and his shortcomings, noticeably his inability to beat/go past defenders as well as his generally poor distribution. This was not properly taken into account by Guardiola in the way he was deployed.

Overall, I have a very high regard for him. He is though not the kind of No 9 we need. We actually need a player of the calibre of the man who has replaced the Swede at Camp Nou. A player with more all-round skills.
 
The myth that Ibra doesn't work hard is born, IMO, out of his lack of pace. Much like Berbatov, RVN, and other technically gifted forwards of that ilk, they aren't quick enough to career around a football pitch say in the way that Rooney or Tevez do. However, that's not at all an issue, either in the premiership, or in La Liga.

What Ibra would bring to the team are the qualities and attributes of a top class playmaker and a top class goal scorer all rolled into one. There was an Inter supporter on here recently who tried to explain that his struggles at Barca stemmed from Pep's insistence that he play like an out and out centre forward, and not take up positions on the pitch which would normally be reserved for Xavi, Messi, and Pedro. Although I can understand why this was the case, it's not a system designed to get the best out of Zlatan.

If there's one person who does know how to get the best out of him, it's Mancini. Having coached him, and also helped to raise his profile to such a point that he was considered arguably the best player in the world, I'd imagine the two men have a healthy respect for each other and know what is required to work together. This in my book, coupled with Ibra's undoubted natural ability make him the ideal centre forward signing.

It's a mark of how far we've come as a club, and just what our expectation levels are like, when so many supporters seemingly wouldn't take him...
 
BillyShears said:
The myth that Ibra doesn't work hard is born, IMO, out of his lack of pace. Much like Berbatov, RVN, and other technically gifted forwards of that ilk, they aren't quick enough to career around a football pitch say in the way that Rooney or Tevez do. However, that's not at all an issue, either in the premiership, or in La Liga.

What Ibra would bring to the team are the qualities and attributes of a top class playmaker and a top class goal scorer all rolled into one. There was an Inter supporter on here recently who tried to explain that his struggles at Barca stemmed from Pep's insistence that he play like an out and out centre forward, and not take up positions on the pitch which would normally be reserved for Xavi, Messi, and Pedro. Although I can understand why this was the case, it's not a system designed to get the best out of Zlatan.

If there's one person who does know how to get the best out of him, it's Mancini. Having coached him, and also helped to raise his profile to such a point that he was considered arguably the best player in the world, I'd imagine the two men have a healthy respect for each other and know what is required to work together. This in my book, coupled with Ibra's undoubted natural ability make him the ideal centre forward signing.

It's a mark of how far we've come as a club, and just what our expectation levels are like, when so many supporters seemingly wouldn't take him...
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Nail. Head.
 
simon23 said:
certainly dont want this guy

a huge disaster waiting to happen. He hasnt got the desire to make it in the prem, puts very little effort into games, dominated too easily, and despite his size he is so easily pushed off the ball. too slow and needs too much space and time.

disappears in most games..

i understand that he is technically gifted but he is not what we want.....

really hope this doesnt happen....id rather stick with what we have
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Good thing you're not the manager then.
 
Good post billy, I agree with a lot of it.

I think I'd take slight issue with the statement that Zlatan lacks pace; he's no slouch, especially for a man of his size. What you say about him being two players rolled into one is bang on the money though. I was reading a piece by Luciano Moggi at the weekend (he might be disgraced but he knew his football) about how Zlatan is three players in one - I think it was scorer, creator and target man.

The 'lazy' stuff is, well, lazy. He couldn't play his game properly if he was careering about wasting energy. Yes he can be a difficult character, but he doesn't hide and he deeply cares about winning.

My only reservation would be his age.
 
Braggster said:
Good post billy, I agree with a lot of it.

I think I'd take slight issue with the statement that Zlatan lacks pace; he's no slouch, especially for a man of his size. What you say about him being two players rolled into one is bang on the money though. I was reading a piece by Luciano Moggi at the weekend (he might be disgraced but he knew his football) about how Zlatan is three players in one - I think it was scorer, creator and target man.

The 'lazy' stuff is, well, lazy. He couldn't play his game properly if he was careering about wasting energy. Yes he can be a difficult character, but he doesn't hide and he deeply cares about winning.

My only reservation would be his age.
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I use the phrase "lack of pace" very loosely, simply to make the point that 99% of the times he doesn't need it. But you're right, he's no slouch at all...

Also, regarding his age. Because he doesn't rely on pace, he will IMO continue to play at the very top level (much like Henrik Larsson, RVN, et al) well into his 30's.
 
BillyShears said:
If there's one person who does know how to get the best out of him, it's Mancini. Having coached him, and also helped to raise his profile to such a point that he was considered arguably the best player in the world, I'd imagine the two men have a healthy respect for each other and know what is required to work together. This in my book, coupled with Ibra's undoubted natural ability make him the ideal centre forward signing...
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Whatever your new prescription is - it's working!

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How old is he? If we didnt have Bobby Manc I'd say we shouldnt sign him but the fact we do means that he could well bring the best out in the player. Only time will tell I guess.
 
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