Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

[Gaylord du Bois]

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

 

[roj]

Heard a rumour that the rags' preferred turd polish supplier is thinking of moving their base of operations to Frankfurt. Another blow to the economy :(

 

[Vic]

Now that an October general election isn't so likely - it will take longer for the DUP deal to unravel - does it matter? Businesses knocking on May's door, farmers (in Tory shires mostly) with no idea what will happen (no subsidies? cheap American food imports that people will buy because Brexit has made them poor?), Tory backbenchers privately knowing Ken Clarke and Heseltine aren't just anti-democratic Europhiles but patriots. Labour's just being more public about how crap Brexit is and how to deal with it - one thing for certain, Brexit is a shambles but it ain't Labour's Brexit shambles.

 

[JWBlueman]

Now that an October general election isn't so likely - it will take longer for the DUP deal to unravel - does it matter? Businesses knocking on May's door, farmers (in Tory shires mostly) with no idea what will happen (no subsidies? cheap American food imports that people will buy because Brexit has made them poor?), Tory backbenchers privately knowing Ken Clarke and Heseltine aren't just anti-democratic Europhiles but patriots. Labour's just being more public about how crap Brexit is and how to deal with it - one thing for certain, Brexit is a shambles but it ain't Labour's Brexit shambles.

A true labour opposition would have campaigned vociferously for brexit and would still do so today. They would have made the case that remain is an option for the privileged, the well off, those in well paid jobs, those running a big business, those in the banking industry that decimated people's lives a few short years ago, those living quite nicely thank you in leafy suburbia.

A true Labour Party cannot govern in a post-remain world.

The reason those who have the very most in our society are so hugely pro-remain is simple. The EU works for them at the expense of the people they exploit. It isn't because they want remain as an act of altruistic decency. It's greed pure and simple.

You won't find a great deal of pro EU sentiment amongst the poorest in Greece, or Spain, or Italy. Or the UK.
Now either these people are ignorant racist knuckle draggers one and all, or they are a body of people who are fed up with seeing their part of society being torn apart at their expense in the name of 'globalisation'.

I admire Jeremy Corbyn a lot but he made a fatal error in backing remain and he did so for selfish reasons - to try to keep the hard right PLP 'onside' in the mistaken belief that this would buy him some time before the backstabbing began again. He was wrong.

If you want to live in a nation that can pass whatever laws it's people want you have to vote brexit. If you want a socialist society you have to vote brexit. If you want a nation that is only accountable to itself you have to vote brexit.

If you want a nation that is purposely set up to work for the benefit first and foremost of those who already have the most life has to offer at the deliberate expense of those who have the least then fair enough, remain would be the logical choice.

 

[cibaman]

Now that an October general election isn't so likely - it will take longer for the DUP deal to unravel - does it matter? Businesses knocking on May's door, farmers (in Tory shires mostly) with no idea what will happen (no subsidies? cheap American food imports that people will buy because Brexit has made them poor?), Tory backbenchers privately knowing Ken Clarke and Heseltine aren't just anti-democratic Europhiles but patriots. Labour's just being more public about how crap Brexit is and how to deal with it - one thing for certain, Brexit is a shambles but it ain't Labour's Brexit shambles.

It's mainly a Tory problem but labour need to hang onto the youth vote they picked up in June and make sure they turn out again whenever the next election is held. Brexit is a big deal for those voters and they're expecting Corbyn to do whatever he can to prevent a hard brexit. Those voters are not going to switch to the tories but they might not vote at all if labour let them down

 

[Gelsons Dad]

It's mainly a Tory problem but labour need to hang onto the youth vote they picked up in June and make sure they turn out again whenever the next election is held. Brexit is a big deal for those voters and they're expecting Corbyn to do whatever he can to prevent a hard brexit. Those voters are not going to switch to the tories but they might not vote at all if labour let them down

Like being found out over the tuition fee lie?

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Like being found out over the tuition fee lie?

obviously a daily fail reader wearing blinkers .....(like the rest of the tory supporters) Corbyn didn't lie over tuition fees... he stated (quite clearly ) that fees would be abolished going forward and then they would 'look at ' ways of getting rid of student fee debt for the past.

How come I always hear Tory supporters moaning about

the cost of welfare
the cost of the unemployed
the cost of providing pensions (giving money back to those that paid it in)
the cost of school meals



but never the cost of bombs

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

obviously a daily fail reader wearing blinkers .....(like the rest of the tory supporters) Corbyn didn't lie over tuition fees... he stated (quite clearly ) that fees would be abolished going forward and then they would 'look at ' ways of getting rid of student fee debt for the past.

How come I always hear Tory supporters moaning about

the cost of welfare
the cost of the unemployed
the cost of providing pensions (giving money back to those that paid it in)
the cost of school meals



but never the cost of bombs

Well Blair never discussed the cost of bombs either. Mentioning a lie Labour cited during the election doesn't make anyone a Tory does it?

 

[Vic]

A true labour opposition would have campaigned vociferously for brexit and would still do so today. They would have made the case that remain is an option for the privileged, the well off, those in well paid jobs, those running a big business, those in the banking industry that decimated people's lives a few short years ago, those living quite nicely thank you in leafy suburbia.

A true Labour Party cannot govern in a post-remain world.

The reason those who have the very most in our society are so hugely pro-remain is simple. The EU works for them at the expense of the people they exploit. It isn't because they want remain as an act of altruistic decency. It's greed pure and simple.

You won't find a great deal of pro EU sentiment amongst the poorest in Greece, or Spain, or Italy. Or the UK.
Now either these people are ignorant racist knuckle draggers one and all, or they are a body of people who are fed up with seeing their part of society being torn apart at their expense in the name of 'globalisation'.

I admire Jeremy Corbyn a lot but he made a fatal error in backing remain and he did so for selfish reasons - to try to keep the hard right PLP 'onside' in the mistaken belief that this would buy him some time before the backstabbing began again. He was wrong.

If you want to live in a nation that can pass whatever laws it's people want you have to vote brexit. If you want a socialist society you have to vote brexit. If you want a nation that is only accountable to itself you have to vote brexit.

If you want a nation that is purposely set up to work for the benefit first and foremost of those who already have the most life has to offer at the deliberate expense of those who have the least then fair enough, remain would be the logical choice.

None of which explains why most European parties of the left are generally supportive of the EU and it's the nationalists and fascists who want out.

After the nonsense about "thick racists" on here voting Leave, you probably go worse with implying that Remainers are just greedy. How does that even remotely relate to reality when most greedy people vote Tory (and openly argue that selfishness is what makes capitalism work) and most Tories want to Leave?