Australia v Saudi Arabia

[TCIB]

That must be a pretty surreal thing to live through, kinda cool in a way just to experience such a situation i guess as long as it calms down soon. I see that SA has banned barca shirts to now due to the sponsor, crazy times indeed.

 

[SWP's back]

That must be a pretty surreal thing to live through, kinda cool in a way just to experience such a situation i guess as long as it calms down soon. I see that SA has banned barca shirts to now due to the sponsor, crazy times indeed.

Their entire nation is run by basket cases.

I'm enjoying the new boat whilst I can, put it that way.

 

[billymumphrey]

I'm not sure in what form the support for isis comes from the house of saud but yes, I think it's awful that we do any arms deals with Saudi Arabia. But I think my point still stands, is anyone surprised that they did this when their ruling family supports the perpetrators.

Not really. It is dangerous to generalise and ascribe the actions of a government onto individuals. Like when people come out after the previous attacks saying that the onus is on Muslims to apologise, or not doing enough to denounce the acts of the few. These extremists don't represent them, so they shouldn't be made to feel responsible for actions committed completely outside of their control.

 

[Magicpants]

Devils advocate, when was the last time an English or european fixture had a minutes silence for the 1000s of innocent people murdered by these scum bags in the middle east?

Something to consider.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Devils advocate, when was the last time an English or european fixture had a minutes silence for the 1000s of innocent people murdered by these scum bags in the middle east?

Something to consider.

Think you're missing the point a bit mate.

If England were playing in Saudi and they were on a silence as a Saudi national had been killed by a bomb in say Iran, what would England's players do?

 

[Dubai Blue]

Devils advocate, when was the last time an English or european fixture had a minutes silence for the 1000s of innocent people murdered by these scum bags in the middle east?

Something to consider.

I keep seeing this argument, but it just doesn't make any sense to me.

The game took place in Australia and the silence was for the 2 Australians killed in London. If the Saudis wanted to commemorate their own victims of terrorism in the return fixture (I know they wouldn't), then the Aussies would be expected to comply. And comply they would, because it's the decent, humane thing to do.

There really is no defending what their players and staff did. And the Saudis know that, hence their grovelling apology.

 

[ccr]

Luckily for me, Turkey delivered milk, eggs and chicken yesterday and it was cheaper in the shops then last week when we got them from Saudi.

Bet that was a delight.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

Not really. It is dangerous to generalise and ascribe the actions of a government onto individuals. Like when people come out after the previous attacks saying that the onus is on Muslims to apologise, or not doing enough to denounce the acts of the few. These extremists don't represent them, so they shouldn't be made to feel responsible for actions committed completely outside of their control.

That is all very well but what you seem to be forgetting is the whole subject of the thread - that the Saudi team DID deliberately not observe the tribute. And as far as I am aware the Saudi FA had made it clear they wouldn't observe it before the match. So I will say it again, their ruling family support Isis so is it really a surprise that this happened because it doesn't surprise me at all. That is not the same as me saying that everyone in Saudi Arabia or that everyone in that Saudi team supports Isis or what happened in London. I actually suspect it would have been dangerous for any individual in that team had they chosen to observe it tbh.
Regarding your point about people expecting Muslims to apologise or denounce the acts of extremists. In my opinion, I don't expect them to apologise, they have done nothing wrong, but absolutely they should denounce it and as vigorously as possible, for various reasons.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Yes very shit but our government will say nothing and send them another jet fighter.

May said nothing but was busy on the day I suppose and also needs to keep somebody onside for when she seeks exile abroad when she goes into hiding from the 1932 Committee