Impatient fans - the most likely thing to ruin this chapter

EalingBlue2

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Having worked in senior finance roles for a few years and looked in some details at what it takes to bring long term success to organisations I do think that impatient fans in the same way as impatient shareholders are the most likely thing to stop us achieveing what we need to.

The fact is to get to where we want to get to (with the exception of the academy) we need to upgrade every bit of our club and we need to upgrade everything from the players , to the culture, to the ground, to the facilities, to the way we conduct business.

The only way to do this is with patience, bottle, consistency and time. That does not mean we stick with the manager and the players we have necessarily, but it does mean we make no impatient, foolish and knee jerk decisions. If and when we make a change in manager we should do so in a calculated and professional way. when the right person is available and when the rubbish has been cleaned up by the current manager and not just because we lose a few games or we are feeling stroppy.

There is also no point getting the right manager in unless we have the system in place to support them and have things ready to go. Therefore I think we would probably be sensible to make a decision in March or so if we change to have someone lined up by mid april to start on June 1. To change now would be stupid.

We also need to realise that even if we had the best manager in the world today many of these problems would stil be happening. Nothing good in business, life or sport comes about overnight, nothing gets better without first getting worse. Cultures are not changed without pain, resistance, resentment and other problems. But above all no business ever delivers a successful strategy if everytime there are problems short term decisions are allowed to over rule long term strategy and if the management of an organisation bottle it and pander to short termism with every problem.

To change the culture of our club will take a few seasons and a major change in personnel on and off the pitch and judging by BlueMoon in the stands as well. It will require a dedication to a mission which will push forward regardless of the support and it will require those who want to stay on board to change mentality too.

To change the culture off the pitch will mean binning favourites if they cannot live a professional life and they cannot show the work ethic and professionalism that is required. The argument that our players are too good to have to live by Hughes ethic is wrong. B*llox if any player is not prepared to try every game, not prepared to train hard enough and live cleanly they should be booted out - exactly as any good manager would do. This will take a few seasons and this will take this time whoever is in charge as to replace your best players means you have to have signed the right replacements you cannot just strop and start playing 16 year olds.

Even when we make these changes we are going to have a team of strangers who I think it will take a year or two to bond, train, get playing the system etc.

In summary if webehave professionally, ruthlessly and stay focussed I think we have a chance of top 10 this year , top 6 next, top 4 the year after and then maybe of winning something. If we keep chopping and changing, acting all emotionally and pandering to the fans then we will be a joke forever.

For years this is what City have done, managers have been pushed out for short term expediency, players have been chopped for short term expediency and the impatience of the fans and the believe we are still the huge team we were in the 60's has been allowed to ruin every start we have given ourselves. Because the fans have not yet accepted (it is exactly the same at Spurs and Newcastle) that we are mid table and medium we constantly change, throw money at the problem and bottle it when we don't achieve top 4 status.

now for the first time ever we have a regime who can afford to and due to where they are can very easily ignore the fans and the hysterical press and this may be the greatest thing in our favour.

As for yesterday we know now which players are not professional enough to be part of our future, this makes our clubs decisions that much more easy. We probably also know by now Hughes limitations and what we need to do about this and when we need to do it.
 
Re: Impatient fans are the most likely thing to ruin project

Fans won't ruin anything.

The management will make the best decisions they can for the good of the club.

If they make an unsound decision based on the wishes of the supporters, then that is bad management and they deserve to be criticised. Not the supporters that have kept the club afloat through decades of shit performances.

And while it won't ruin the "project" what will set us back for at least two years is shit performances, shit results and a shit manager.
 
Re: Impatient fans are the most likely thing to ruin project

wrong, shit players, with a shit attitude are the problem.
 
Re: Impatient fans are the most likely thing to ruin project

Initial reaction is you are spot on, but give us time to grieve this calamity.
 
Re: Impatient fans are the most likely thing to ruin project

Ok I edited it to add 'this clamity'.
 
Re: Impatient fans are the most likely thing to ruin project

Moomba you are right, however now we have a strong enough situation that the club are not dependant on the fans so this should no longer be a reason or an excuse for poor decisions. before they may not have had the same choice
 
Re: Impatient fans are the most likely thing to ruin project

I think most of us just want to feel that our manager is going in the right direction. Even mid-table would be okay with me. I understand it takes time to build your own side but come on, to wimper out against Forest with so little fight like we did against Brighton and AND not to mention being 2 points off the bottom with half the season to go is not my idea of progress and doesn't give me a whole lot of faith in him.
 
EalingBlue2 said:
Having worked in senior finance roles for a few years and looked in some details at what it takes to bring long term success to organisations I do think that impatient fans in the same way as impatient shareholders are the most likely thing to stop us achieveing what we need to.

The fact is to get to where we want to get to (with the exception of the academy) we need to upgrade every bit of our club and we need to upgrade everything from the players , to the culture, to the ground, to the facilities, to the way we conduct business.

The only way to do this is with patience, bottle, consistency and time. That does not mean we stick with the manager and the players we have necessarily, but it does mean we make no impatient, foolish and knee jerk decisions. If and when we make a change in manager we should do so in a calculated and professional way. when the right person is available and when the rubbish has been cleaned up by the current manager and not just because we lose a few games or we are feeling stroppy.

There is also no point getting the right manager in unless we have the system in place to support them and have things ready to go. Therefore I think we would probably be sensible to make a decision in March or so if we change to have someone lined up by mid april to start on June 1. To change now would be stupid.

We also need to realise that even if we had the best manager in the world today many of these problems would stil be happening. Nothing good in business, life or sport comes about overnight, nothing gets better without first getting worse. Cultures are not changed without pain, resistance, resentment and other problems. But above all no business ever delivers a successful strategy if everytime there are problems short term decisions are allowed to over rule long term strategy and if the management of an organisation bottle it and pander to short termism with every problem.

To change the culture of our club will take a few seasons and a major change in personnel on and off the pitch and judging by BlueMoon in the stands as well. It will require a dedication to a mission which will push forward regardless of the support and it will require those who want to stay on board to change mentality too.

To change the culture off the pitch will mean binning favourites if they cannot live a professional life and they cannot show the work ethic and professionalism that is required. The argument that our players are too good to have to live by Hughes ethic is wrong. B*llox if any player is not prepared to try every game, not prepared to train hard enough and live cleanly they should be booted out - exactly as any good manager would do. This will take a few seasons and this will take this time whoever is in charge as to replace your best players means you have to have signed the right replacements you cannot just strop and start playing 16 year olds.

Even when we make these changes we are going to have a team of strangers who I think it will take a year or two to bond, train, get playing the system etc.

In summary if webehave professionally, ruthlessly and stay focussed I think we have a chance of top 10 this year , top 6 next, top 4 the year after and then maybe of winning something. If we keep chopping and changing, acting all emotionally and pandering to the fans then we will be a joke forever.

For years this is what City have done, managers have been pushed out for short term expediency, players have been chopped for short term expediency and the impatience of the fans and the believe we are still the huge team we were in the 60's has been allowed to ruin every start we have given ourselves. Because the fans have not yet accepted (it is exactly the same at Spurs and Newcastle) that we are mid table and medium we constantly change, throw money at the problem and bottle it when we don't achieve top 4 status.

now for the first time ever we have a regime who can afford to and due to where they are can very easily ignore the fans and the hysterical press and this may be the greatest thing in our favour.

As for yesterday we know now which players are not professional enough to be part of our future, this makes our clubs decisions that much more easy. We probably also know by now Hughes limitations and what we need to do about this and when we need to do it.
ALL THIS SEEM VERY IMPRESSIVE however it is all based on the false assumption that
We have the right man incharge and he has the right plan so with all due respect this is
BOLLOCKS
 
Where was MH during the game, shouting at his players, pointing tactics, trying to organise them? No sat on his arse.
Even the much hated Elano tried to organise Studge in MH absence.
Very poor management.
 

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