It’s what comes from not being stopped by others and being so up your own arse. People who think they are something just run over others until they are stopped. Sadly, Jordan’s ears were too closed to even hear
@projectriver facts stopping him in his tracks, and he just carried on with his own agenda.
To my mind, and ear, Jordan seemed like he knew he was outgunned, so (knowing it’s a radio show for most) wanted to keep talking over Stefan to try to not look the fool.
Didn’t work out too well for him.