We’re bombing Syria

[blueinsa]

Not so much governments, but the IMF during the 50's/60's when African nations were becoming free from Colonial rule, encouraged them to borrow heavily and giving loans with pre-conditions allowimg western companies to exploit nations and set up a cycle of poverty most African nation have not been able to get out of.

Yet those new governments instead of spending on infrastructure already in place due to colonial influences and control, ie schools, hospitals, health care etc decided to not only dismantle all of that and let it fall into ruin, also spend everything they had on themselves instead of their countries and populations leading to the present day picture we now see.

Take Rhodesia/Zimbabwe for instance. The bread basket of Africa with a school/education system and health service second to none and now nothing.

That is not the fault of Western governments and people should stop blaming western governments.

 

[colombia-mcfc]

May is spitting on the graves of all of the soldiers who lost their lives in Iraq.

Wake up people. Assad has not used chemical weapons, he was already succeeding. It was the rebels who used the chemical weapons as warned in advance a few days ago.

 

[colombia-mcfc]

Have we seen the proof it was him? What does he have to gain?

Exactly! People need to wake up. Why would Assad need to use chemical weapons when he’s winning?

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

This. Tory, Labour, Lib Dem........matters not one jot. This isnt about politics or who is in power, it's about doing what is right as a nation and member of the UN and i believe we have done the right thing and would think this way regardless of party in charge and taking the decision.

Based on nothing more than what has been circulated on social media.....

We have bombed someones chemical weapon facilities who has been using them to murder his own citizens, what a horrendous decision. A dark day...

Then we shouldn't have granted export licences for the chemicals required to manufacture the weapons (as we did in 2012)

 

[SWP's back]

Time for a new government

In four years you’ll get a chance.

 

[Metal Biker]

Well shit...

 

[bobmcfc]

Not so much governments, but the IMF during the 50's/60's when African nations were becoming free from Colonial rule, encouraged them to borrow heavily and giving loans with pre-conditions allowimg western companies to exploit nations and set up a cycle of poverty most African nation have not been able to get out of.




No has said they are not outraged about this, but that May has done this without parliamentry concent and without the full OCPW inspention of the area been done.

Bombing suspected sights and a research lab, while still not proving if chemical weapons are there (on those sites) sits uneasy with some with no vote first.

Syria have more than likely used chemical weapons, so let the inspectors do their job, if the finding are conclusive then international action is necessary, her speach just now, with the salisbury reference has let slip this was about her wanted to look strong against russia, and self indulgent from her to try and look lile a world leader, not the aimless politician she is.

America targeted specific areas away from Iranian and Russian forces, this is probabaly as said already decided by the US and Russia to make sure both save face and doesn't escalate, however May imho is out of her depth.

The inspectors are going in today but the WHO have already treated more than 500 people for exposures to toxic chemicals and nerve agent according to this article
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....s-inspectors-to-investigate-syria-attack-site

I’m sure the reason we haven’t gone in sooner is because they needed intelligence on the locations-of the factories.

 

[urban genie]

Yet those new governments instead of spending on infrastructure already in place due to colonial influences and control, ie schools, hospitals, health care etc decided to not only dismantle all of that and let it fall into ruin, also spend everything they had on themselves instead of their countries and populations leading to the present day picture we now see.

Take Rhodesia/Zimbabwe for instance. The bread basket of Africa with a school/education system and health service second to none and now nothing.

That is not the fault of Western governments and people should stop blaming western governments.

never said governments, the IMF an organisation still fucking countries over.

But that's a seperate thread.

 

[Ban-jani]

May talking just now gave a lengthy list of recent chemical attacks. The question I haven’t heard her asked is, why now?

What was different now, that these previous attacks you brought up didn’t meet?

If you cite them then please explain why you did nothing?

That’s the problem I have with this. Consistency is awol. It is clear that dialogue with Russia about what we were going to hit.

Russia has stated there will be consequences. Let’s see what they are.

Asked if Russia was spoken to, we didn’t but it’s clear the Americans did.

Is it ok to bomb these places Vlad?

That’ll show him.

Gathering evidence and the intelligence of knowing where these sites were?

This isn’t purely about stopping the chemical attacks, obviously that is the aim first and foremost but there’s also the drawing the line against Putin.

He’s seeing what he can get away with and this kills two birds with one stone. It will go some way to stopping innocent people getting chemical weapons dumped on them and it also sends a message that we will react to Russia trying to grab power.

The last half of your post is just made up so I’m not addressing that nonsense.

 

[inbetween]

Irony? Or are you really sure we would bomb Saudi Arabia if they used banned weapons?

It destroys evidence as to whether the places bombed did have chemical weapons. You've not read the thread.

If there were chemical weapons there, what happens to the chemicals released?

Based on nothing more than what has been circulated on social media.....



Then we shouldn't have granted export licences for the chemicals required to manufacture the weapons (as we did in 2012)

Wrong - export licenses were granted for sodium and potassium fluoride and these are not precursors for the chlorine gas which was used.

Those chemicals are precursors for sarin which was not used but as they are required to produce it that is why an export licence is required. They were sold for metal finishing to a company in Syria. There is no evidence that it has been used to produce sarin.

One of the chemicals we sold them (sodium flouride) is found in toothpaste.