Complaint to BBC regarding Pete the Badge

Prestwich_Blue said:
Which is exactly the point Marv. You'd have to be a rag to come up with a caption like that and it would be a deliberate action. So if someone at the BBC has done it, we need to know.
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Preusmably the agency who filed the story came up with it and whoever posted it on MOTD unknowingly copied it. If wouldn't surprise me that the BBC staff involved don't know who Bertie is, or who uses it
 
paulchapo said:
Absolutely true PB!! I first saw it as I was travelling to the game with the caption you mentioned. It may have had something saying '' No blue glasses? Poor effort!'' or similar too.

Their sly piss taking of our club and fan's has been steadily growing, while they keep on, as usual, lauding the rags. Then we have that twat's Stone's interviews with Pep where he keeps on goading him in an aggressive manner to get a reaction, like the ''You don't sound very happy'' after the Burnley game. In the old days Mickey or one of the boys would have dished out a bit of short sharp warning that he was overstepping the mark, he would certainly have got the message!
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The 'no blue glasses' clearly references the 'Magoo' appendage to 'Bertie'. So, even if the original pic arrived entitled just Bertie, as claimed, someone in there knew the script and added the caption to suit.
 
Marvin said:
Preusmably the agency who filed the story came up with it and whoever posted it on MOTD unknowingly copied it. If wouldn't surprise me that the BBC staff involved don't know who Bertie is, or who uses it
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No that's not how it happened Marvin. They buy the picture from the agency, not the caption. They then caption it and they've used it before (about a year or so ago when I saw it) with the caption "I wonder who he's supporting today?" Do you understand so far?

So they've got a stock picture of Pete that they've used before but someone at the BBC presumably added the derogatory caption on Sunday. When they were challenged, they reverted to the earlier caption.
 
Zabbadabba Blue said:
Looks like pretty much same letter sent out to all of us!!!


'Many thanks for getting in touch with us about our recent social media post.


The picture you refer to was used after it had been filed by a national picture agency, captioned “Bertie”, and was used in good faith and in a congratulatory way to celebrate the fan’s dedication to Manchester City. None of the team on the BBC Sport website were aware of “Bertie” as being a derogatory term to describe City fans – and other City fans also shared the post and mirrored our congratulatory tone.

As it was never our intention to cause offence, we have now removed this post for the avoidance of doubt. We are proud of our inclusive and celebratory approach to social media and work hard to ensure we are balanced across the sporting spectrum at all times.

We’re sorry you’ve had cause for concern.

Kind regards

Katherine Tsang

Deputy Complaints Manager
BBC Audience Serviceshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints
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Is the 'T' silent, as in tcünt?
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
No that's not how it happened Marvin. They buy the picture from the agency, not the caption. They then caption it and they've used it before (about a year or so ago when I saw it) with the caption "I wonder who he's supporting today?" Do you understand so far?

So they've got a stock picture of Pete that they've used before but someone at the BBC presumably added the derogatory caption on Sunday. When they were challenged, they reverted to the earlier caption.
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OK. I thought there was a ring of truth about their reply. As I said I completed their online complaint, but I did not ask for a reply, I just told them they were out of order.

When I read their comments to another complainant I thought it sounded reasonable. They'd investigated it, apologised for causing offence and said it was done unknowingly.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
No that's not how it happened Marvin. They buy the picture from the agency, not the caption. They then caption it and they've used it before (about a year or so ago when I saw it) with the caption "I wonder who he's supporting today?" Do you understand so far?

So they've got a stock picture of Pete that they've used before but someone at the BBC presumably added the derogatory caption on Sunday. When they were challenged, they reverted to the earlier caption.
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Correct - media outlets buy pictures from various sources not captions. Those they add themselves and in theory the head of a department should ok the captions although in reality this is almost impossible to do these days such is the wealth of content
 
Eds said:
Correct - media outlets buy pictures from various sources not captions. Those they add themselves and in theory the head of a department should ok the captions although in reality this is almost impossible to do these days such is the wealth of content
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Presumably the photo must have been placed in some kind of context by the agency or whoever filed it otherwise it would be meaningless to some recipients. Couldn't the BBC just have copied the information that came with it? If I sent a photo to someone professionally, I'd include something about what the subject was, and when it was taken.
 
Sadly, like all large organisations there will be a one size fits all response for pretty much all complaints. They don't really give a toss and I doubt anybody has been reprimanded in any way for the shithousery of it all.
 
Marvin said:
Presumably the photo must have been placed in some kind of context by the agency or whoever filed it otherwise it would be meaningless to some recipients. Couldn't the BBC just have copied the information that came with it? If I sent a photo to someone professionally, I'd include something about what the subject was, and when it was taken.
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I've had some experience of picture libraries. They have catalogues of pictures that are tagged. They'd search for a photo of a Manchester City fan and they'd come up with the one of Pete. There would be no caption with it, just the photo. They'd buy the photo then add the caption as they saw fit. As I explained, they'd previously used that photo (which they'd have bought or was part of their own stock) with a non-derogatory caption but then changed the caption. It's 99% certain that the caption was added by someone at the BBC.
 
If no-one at BBC Sport knew that Bertie is a derogatory name used by rags I'd be asking why they arent employing people that do know something about the game.

It's hardly a secret.
 
Marvin said:
I doubt anyone outside of MCFC and MUFC knows that Bertie is Man Utd for a City fan. It's such a stupid term, that not many people would have a clue about the angle.
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I would think that anyone who follows football would be aware of it.
 
I have no doubt it was done deliberately, probably by some Southern rag who moved down here when they relocated, thinking he was a big smart arse amongst the lads. There is no way the name Bertie would be plucked out of the air and why add a name anyway if it isn't the correct one?
 
moomba said:
I would think that anyone who follows football would be aware of it.
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I know a few Dippers and Arse fans who wouldn't have a clue that Bertie was an insult. The match going swamp dwellers I know, are familiar with the term but the plastics also don't have a clue.

Half the plastics have never heard the term RAG.

To plug Bertie out of the air is just plain and simple BULLSHIT. Rag caption!
 
cookster said:
I know a few Dippers and Arse fans who wouldn't have a clue that Bertie was an insult. The match going swamp dwellers I know, are familiar with the term but the plastics also don't have a clue.

Half the plastics have never heard the term RAG.

To plug Bertie out of the air is just plain and simple BULLSHIT. Rag caption!
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I believe the definitive term is actually RAG C**TS
 
So the BBC are claiming they bought a picture from an agency and it's the agency that named the subject "Bertie"

Does this mean the BBC will not be using this agency again?
What checks are in place by the BBC to ensure that named people in photographs are actually correct?

ITV have already set a particularly low standard that the BBC are trying their utmost to sink beneath

http://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2015/1204/751345-lenny-henry-ainsley-harriott/
 
Let us not forget the era from whence the term Bertie was forged and the spirit in which it was conveyed.

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Let us never forget.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Let us not forget the era from whence the term Bertie was forged and the spirit in which it was conveyed.

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Let us never forget.
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GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!! One of the main reasons I hate those bastards with a passion!! Never forget either that that despicable banner was allowed to stay there with the full knowledge and permission of the club and at the time it looked like we would never win a trophy again. Fucking vermin!
 
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