The Boxing thread

[BlueHammer85]

I get really pissed of with all the trash talk in the build up to the fights, at the end of the fight I was sat there watching them fawning over each other and half expecting them to partake in a mutual blow job.

Its just to promote the fight, why take it seriously ? trash talk probably added a few more million viewers and a few more million in there bank account, why wouldn't they do that ?

 

[willipp]

I think the fight should have been called off as soon as he did his achilles in training and everyone knew it. Haye must have really needed the money to go ahead with it, his words after the fight must have been agreed upon beforehand as soon as Matchroom got wind of the injury, it all seemed like make believe from everyone in that post fight ringside bit.

I said after the first round his footwork was off(flat footed and plodding forward), not only that he did appear desperate swinging(uncharacteristically) wildly to land big from the first round(most likely because he knew there was a chance the ankle wouldn't hold up) and as soon as he did start finding his rhythm from the 4th round onwards(first time anyone looked dominant in that fight) it didn't take long for his ankle to go.

As unlikeable as he is, it's a shame how things have gone for him especially with his injuries, I think he will retire for good if he doesn't then he must really still need the money. Anyone know how much they made off this one?

What's more strange is the amount of people trying to downplay the injury, nice to find one exception atleast:

Hasn't Haye got a lot of history with this though? Lost to Klitscho and blamed it on injury (broken toe i think), pulled out of the Fury fight close to the date with another injury. If he'd done the same here i imagine no promoter going would want anything to do with him.

 

[Metalartin]

Hasn't Haye got a lot of history with this though? Lost to Klitscho and blamed it on injury (broken toe i think), pulled out of the Fury fight close to the date with another injury. If he'd done the same here i imagine no promoter going would want anything to do with him.

Yes it was apparently 3 fights in a row(in and around the scheduled Fury fight) that he had to pull out of because of a reoccurring shoulder injury, it does sound a bit like the Vinny K situation as someone said on this thread. I would have said postpone it as Bellew seemed to suggest on fight week but I've since heard the achilles can take several months to heal I'm no expert on how long it would take to get a fight back on with such an injury... but yeah he would have been slaughtered by the fight fans for it reputation wise which then makes it harder for a promoter to sell. If there's one thing that will come good of it is, now people will find it harder to deny he has had genuine injury problems as he's got older and he'll have gained a bit of respect for trying to fight through it despite not being able to walk or punch properly. I don't believe you can blame it on him not looking after himself, he never looks out of shape even in his time out(same as Vinny).

 

[willipp]

Yes it was apparently 3 fights in a row(in and around the scheduled Fury fight) that he had to pull out of because of a reoccurring shoulder injury, it does sound a bit like the Vinny K situation as someone said on this thread. I would have said postpone it as Bellew seemed to suggest on fight week but I've since heard the achilles can take several months to heal I'm no expert on how long it would take to get a fight back on with such an injury... but yeah he would have been slaughtered by the fight fans for it reputation wise which then makes it harder for a promoter to sell. If there's one thing that will come good of it is, now people will find it harder to deny he has had genuine injury problems as he's got older and he'll have gained a bit of respect for trying to fight through it despite not being able to walk or punch properly. I don't believe you can blame it on him not looking after himself, he never looks out of shape even in his time out(same as Vinny).

You could tell from the first bell there was something not right with him. His stance was unlike anything ive ever seen before from him and he was so erratic and all over the place he was clearly trying to knock out Bellew with one punch from the off as his movement was so limited. It turned it into a farce, and like you say might of been the best option to postpone it, but at such short notice and with Hayes previous it probably made it almost impossible.

 

[ell]

Shite fight, I dont mind paying for decent PPVs but I stuck to a stream for this one. Two absolute clowns but detest Haye more than I detest Bellew so happy with the outcome, just a shame it was a bit of a worthless victory due to the injury.

 

[big phil]

Yes it was apparently 3 fights in a row(in and around the scheduled Fury fight) that he had to pull out of because of a reoccurring shoulder injury, it does sound a bit like the Vinny K situation as someone said on this thread. I would have said postpone it as Bellew seemed to suggest on fight week but I've since heard the achilles can take several months to heal I'm no expert on how long it would take to get a fight back on with such an injury... but yeah he would have been slaughtered by the fight fans for it reputation wise which then makes it harder for a promoter to sell. If there's one thing that will come good of it is, now people will find it harder to deny he has had genuine injury problems as he's got older and he'll have gained a bit of respect for trying to fight through it despite not being able to walk or punch properly. I don't believe you can blame it on him not looking after himself, he never looks out of shape even in his time out(same as Vinny).

Wouldn't call myself an expert but I have experienced achilles injuries, snapping one clean in half back in 1996 and rupturing the other 10 years later, both playing football. 6 weeks in a full pot up to your nads followed by 4 weeks in a knee height cast. Quite a bit of muscle wastage happens in those 10 weeks, so I'd say the fight would have been postponed for a good 6 months.
Just my opinion based on the above but I can't see how he's got into the ring with any kind of achilles injury. Whilst not painful after the initial couple of minutes you can't get on your toes, which I would guess would limit your ability to punch, let alone chase Bellew round the ring.

 

[oman0115]

Eddie Hearn annoys me so much, I hope Klitchko still has enough in him to put one on Joshua. Would love to see him reeling.

 

[Blue Til Death]

Eddie Hearn annoys me so much, I hope Klitschko still has enough in him to put one on Joshua. Would love to see him reeling.

Granted Hearn is a tool but why would you want that?? Joshua is a gent and a cracking prospect, he doesn't bullshit and gob off like Haye, Fury and the like either. I think you will be disappointed, I can see Joshua going far as a heavyweight and unifying the division again.. He will be far too fast and powerful for klitschko, who is very static and lacks mobility, he's tailor made for Joshua..

 

[abu13]

Its just to promote the fight, why take it seriously ? trash talk probably added a few more million viewers and a few more million in there bank account, why wouldn't they do that ?

I have no problem with promoting the fight as such, but some of the comments that came out prior to this fight were disgusting. Fair enough if they genuinely hate each other but if it's for the sake of promotion then it's wrong in my eyes.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I have no problem with promoting the fight as such, but some of the comments that came out prior to this fight were disgusting. Fair enough if they genuinely hate each other but if it's for the sake of promotion then it's wrong in my eyes.

dont think anyone really took it seriously and know it was for promotion - doesnt make it less of a spectacle - no different to what Mohammed Ali was saying 50 odd years ago, boxing is like that and always will be

 

[BlueHammer85]

Shite fight, I dont mind paying for decent PPVs but I stuck to a stream for this one. Two absolute clowns but detest Haye more than I detest Bellew so happy with the outcome, just a shame it was a bit of a worthless victory due to the injury.

would it have been more entertaining if Haye had knocked him out in the first couple rounds like everyone was pretty much predicting ?

It went 11 rounds, both boxers were taking punches, both giving it everything they had and both fighting through injury - i dont see what more people could want.

 

[bluemc1]

Few of us said straight away Haye wasn't moving right and looked plodding
Then Achilles goes + he goes to see specialist in fight week
Doesn't take much working out, he went into that fight injured

If he admits that now could he have some purse withheld or something like that
A lot of people would've put money on Haye who wouldn't have if they knew he was carrying that bad of an injury

 

[ell]

would it have been more entertaining if Haye had knocked him out in the first couple rounds like everyone was pretty much predicting ?

It went 11 rounds, both boxers were taking punches, both giving it everything they had and both fighting through injury - i dont see what more people could want.

No probably not. But its a fight that shouldn't have happened in the first place. Nobody wanted it until Haye took a swing at the press conference and then they both built it into something it wasn't to get a few PPV buys and fairplay to them for it because it worked. The thought of a rematch is even turning the "casual fans" off, so it cant have been that entertaining for them either.

 

[kinkyblue]

Few of us said straight away Haye wasn't moving right and looked plodding
Then Achilles goes + he goes to see specialist in fight week
Doesn't take much working out, he went into that fight injured

If he admits that now could he have some purse withheld or something like that
A lot of people would've put money on Haye who wouldn't have if they knew he was carrying that bad of an injury

He was injured, all last week Haye was trying to cancel the fight but sky wouldn't let him


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[Metalartin]

Few of us said straight away Haye wasn't moving right and looked plodding
Then Achilles goes + he goes to see specialist in fight week
Doesn't take much working out, he went into that fight injured

If he admits that now could he have some purse withheld or something like that
A lot of people would've put money on Haye who wouldn't have if they knew he was carrying that bad of an injury

Personally I thought if he needed the money that badly and backed his chances of landing a knockout early then you can sort of forgive him for going ahead with the fight and sympathise with how it turned out but he knew the risks. I didn't think of the betting fans since I never put bets on but the rumour was leaked so there was always a risk of there being something behind it if you're a betting man you pay special attention to stuff like that so they kind of knew the risk too.

The leak meant Bellew knew he could out manoeuvre Haye all night and stay out of harms way, has to be said Bellews camp are doing damage control trying to say he took Hayes best punches(like shit he did) and injured his hand so that's why he couldn't knock him out. Even when Haye went through the ropes it looked more like Haye dipped low to avoid talking the shot flush and inevitably lost his balance/foot gave way but the towel should have come in 3 round sooner(how long should you give an injured fighter the chance to land that one shot that changes the fight?). It also annoyed me that Bellew tried to buy a few seconds claiming a low blow when it was right on the belt(proper milked it and made a noise like it hit his balls)... the poor guy's crippled allowing you to pick him off and you have the cheek to con the ref on a low blow that never was? Poor form not even allowing him a fair chance when he did land something.

 

[tweetstreet]

Granted Hearn is a tool but why would you want that?? Joshua is a gent and a cracking prospect, he doesn't bullshit and gob off like Haye, Fury and the like either. I think you will be disappointed, I can see Joshua going far as a heavyweight and unifying the division again.. He will be far too fast and powerful for klitschko, who is very static and lacks mobility, he's tailor made for Joshua..

He doesn't bullshit and Gob-off because everything he says is scripted by Sky and Matchroom. The True Joshua will likely come out in the papers in a year or so. There was a reason Whyte was saying 'be yourself etc' in the build up to their fight.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Personally I thought if he needed the money that badly and backed his chances of lading a knockout early then you can sort of forgive him for going ahead with the fight and sympathise with how it turned out but he knew the risks. I didn't think of the betting fans since I never put bets on but the rumour was leaked so there was always a risk of there being something behind it if you're a betting man you pay special attention to stuff like that so they kind of knew the risk too.

The leak meant Bellew knew he could out manoeuvre Haye all night and stay out of harms way, has to be said Bellews camp are doing damage control trying to say he took Hayes best punches(like shit he did) and injured his hand so that's why he couldn't knock him out. Even when Haye went through the ropes it looked more like Haye dipped low to avoid talking the shot flush and inevitably lost his balance/foot gave way but the towel should have come in 3 round sooner(how long should you give an injured fighter the chance to land that one shot that changes the fight?). It also annoyed me that Bellew tried to buy a few seconds claiming a low blow when it was right on the belt(proper milked it and made a noise like it hit his balls)... the poor guy's crippled allowing you to pick him off and you have the cheek to con the ref on a low blow that never was? Poor form not even allowing him a fair chance when he did land something.

Bellew had two knockdowns, neither of which were from good shots. The final one you could see how awkward Haye's legs were and they ended up buckling under him. Haye took a pounding off him yet he wasn't hurt once and could have taken those punches all night. Bellew's face is more of a mess now and it's a fact he'd have lost comfortably with the achilles injury to Haye. If he fights Wilder or Parker he'll end up in hospital.

 

[leighton]

I seen some bullshit that Bellew might well be retiring dont know if it is bullshit or not. Been a joke the sky over load the only reason Sky got the fight on is they must of gave Haye more money as a sweetener for the fight to happen. Also if he was Matchroom it wouldnt of happen. I think Haye if his body holds up will fight again and Idealy in a rematch with Bellew and he will KO him. IF that was Haye v AJ . Haye would of pulled out stating the injury as why because Bellew isnt a heavyweight he took the risk and lost.

 

[oman0115]

Granted Hearn is a tool but why would you want that?? Joshua is a gent and a cracking prospect, he doesn't bullshit and gob off like Haye, Fury and the like either. I think you will be disappointed, I can see Joshua going far as a heavyweight and unifying the division again.. He will be far too fast and powerful for klitschko, who is very static and lacks mobility, he's tailor made for Joshua..

Joshua isn't all that fast. He's a prospect but profiting from a poor HW scene, I think if Fury had a mature head on his shoulders he'd cause AJ all sorts of problems. He's a decent heavyweight Joshua, but robotic. Would just be a top 10 contender in the Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield era...

 

[Blue Til Death]

He doesn't bullshit and Gob-off because everything he says is scripted by Sky and Matchroom. The True Joshua will likely come out in the papers in a year or so. There was a reason Whyte was saying 'be yourself etc' in the build up to their fight.

What is that reason, I would be interested to know, we all have a past, some more unsavoury than others, you say he's scripted but he appears quite articulate to me.. We will find out soon how good he is when he fights Klitschko.. Each to their own but I like him and hope he goes far in the HW division.. As for Whyte, he comes across as a right tool and deserved what he got from Joshua.