Sturgeon wants another referendum

ColinLee said:
Except that doesn't say that whatsoever, so you're either wumming or have difficulty reading the English language.
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So when Sturgeon says she is speaking for the whole of Scotland what she actually means to say is she is speaking for Glasgow and Dundee ;-)
 
Magicpole said:
Oh Colin, and here was me thinking we could have made a go of it.:)

Well, there's always the distinct possibility I get banned.

You're not admin are you? :)
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Us mods are holding a referendum to decide your future ;-)
 
Tanzeylee said:
It was a general question to the forum for members that know a far bit about how the EU works(so not directed at you in any way)

"I'm 6ft12 and all scots are hard as fuck, we do all the fighting" (copyright magicpole)

People that really know stuff

Actual facts are always preferred, if they back up my view then fan dabby dozzy, if not at least I've got the facts and knowledge

If it's right what i read about the EU wanting to take Greeces gold reserves(tho I might have dreamt that) if they fail to pay back the loans then that could possibly happen to Scotland if the have to be bailed out by the EU and are unable to pay back the loans, tho obviously with oil reserves as Scotland don't have any gold(not taking into account any vulgar cosmetic dentistry) so might not be so ludicrous given the EUs lust for money
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Well, I certainly thought that I was correct in remembering that in recent years the ECB and IMF, as part of the bailout negotiations, had placed controls on Greece's economic strategy and sought to have assets, including gold reserves, placed as security against loans. Think this happened in 2012 and 2015.

We clearly were not simply dreaming as googling the topic can find reports of a Miss Katseli, who was a previous Greek labour minister being "......upset that Greece’s lenders will have the right to seize the gold reserves in the Bank of Greece under the terms of the new deal...................... The Reuters Global Gold Forum confirms that in the small print of the Greek “bailout” is a provision for the creditors to seize Greek national gold reserves.........."

It certainly seems that German officials in cahoots with the ECB have at least aspirations towards imposing controls over the economic strategies and assets, including gold reserves, over the EU countries that are placed into servitude via debt:

"...................While many market participants would expect that Greece’s gold reserves would be on the table in the debt agreement, it is the somewhat covert and untransparent way that this is being done that is of concern to Greeks and to people who believe in the rule of law.

Recent months have seen many senior German government officials calling for so called “PIIGS” nations gold reserves to be used as collateral. Such as Angela Merkel’s budget speaker and his opposition counterpart who urged Portugal to consider selling their gold.

Norbert Barthle, Germany’s governing coalition budget speaker and his counterpart Carsten Schneider from the Social Democrats, the biggest opposition party, urged Portugal to consider selling some of its gold reserves to ease its debt problems. They called for a review of Portugal’s request for financial aid to include gold and other potential asset sales.

The Irish Times reported in November that EU finance ministers’ discussed a wider strategy by the ECB to sound out the possibility of gaining control over the gold reserves of the euro zone’s central banks.

Senior German politician, Gunther Krichbaum, a lawmaker in German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s governing coalition and Chairman of the Committee on the Affairs of the European Union of the German Bundestag has proposed late last year that Italy sell its sizeable gold reserves in order to lower its debt.

Gold’s importance as debt and third party risk free collateral and as the ultimate form of money is increasing by the day.............."

So in a future scenario, that saw Scotland requiring a bailout, it cannot be dismissed as fanciful that any such deal may have comparable conditions of national assets being used as security
 
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sir baconface said:
There are so many echoes of Brexit here. That's why one or two of the enthusiastic Brexiteer posters actually have some sympathy. We were equally accused of being motivated by racism, when it was just a minority of tossers.

My only issue, as I've said before, is the timing of another referendum. It should be once Brexit is well out of the way. And it should be made clear that it would be "final". No re-runs.
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Fully agree.

The Scots just need to stop playing the victim

Between now and 2020 the UK are handling Brexit - there is no space for handling the distractions of an indyref2

Let the SNP put a referendum in their GE manifesto and at that time the position on Brexit and whether Scotland can independently join the EU will be clear

It all follows - but there is no space for it to happen before
 
mcfc1632 said:
Fully agree.

The Scots just need to stop playing the victim

Between now and 2020 the UK are handling Brexit - there is no space for handling the distractions of an indyref2

Let the SNP put a referendum in their GE manifesto and at that time the position on Brexit and whether Scotland can independently join the EU will be clear

It all follows - but there is no space for it to happen before
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It would make sence to me to hold the referendum once the Brexit negotiations have been finalised, at least they'd know what they're voting for.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Can i ask what bit of the debate before the referendum did you not understand where Cameron and all the uk establishment plus the EU said there would be no half measures. Cameron got no concessions whatsoever. It could not have been made any clearer that we were voting for hard brexit or to stay in the EU. We voted for the former. To say you were not informed of that is frankly just nonsense.
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Course you can.

I didn't (and still don't) know about;

trade agreements, reciprocal deals, eu finance, trading 'passports',scientific collaboration, arrest warrants, ttp, ttip, gdp, workers rights, fishing and farming quotas, h and s, security services collaboration.
 
stonerblue said:
Course you can.

I didn't (and still don't) know about;

trade agreements, reciprocal deals, eu finance, trading 'passports',scientific collaboration, arrest warrants, ttp, ttip, gdp, workers rights, fishing and farming quotas, h and s, security services collaboration.
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You were never going to know about those until after the deals were made
 
The SNP want another referendum.
The British PM tells them they're not having one.
The SNP whinge and squawk, irrelevant, the decision lies with the British PM.
Foot stamping and teeth gnashing will get the same cold shoulder given to embittered remainers.
Totally pointless, totally futile, but amusing to watch and read about.
 
Their delusion reaches new heights from their defence minister yesterday.
“One of the big debates is what do we do with the military assets? Do we start from scratch, do we take an eight per cent share or a nine per cent share of them?

“If we do take a share, what do we take? What are the maintenance contracts? There’s a whole load of things.

“I’m personally very much of the opinion that if we adopt a nine per cent share of the hardware, then we’re pushed down a road from which it is sometimes very difficult to come back.

“I don’t think you can have a bespoke independent Scottish defence policy if you are immediately saddled with taking eight or nine per cent of assets.tion



He told the meeting the party expect to spend about 1.6 per cent of GDP on defence. That would be around the EU and Nato average but less than Nato’s recommendation of at least two per cent.

Questioned if an independent Scotland would have its own intelligence service, O’Hara said: “There’s obviously a very sophisticated intelligent network that exists as part of the UK and it would make no sense for us to tear that down.

“Once Scotland is an independent country, we’re going to co-operate extremely closely with our immediate neighbour. We’d want to build on what’s there. We’d certainly want to work as close as possible in order to make sure that what currently works continues to work.”

The SNP’s previous framework assumed an entirely new agency after a Yes vote.
 
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stonerblue said:
Course you can.

I didn't (and still don't) know about;

trade agreements, reciprocal deals, eu finance, trading 'passports',scientific collaboration, arrest warrants, ttp, ttip, gdp, workers rights, fishing and farming quotas, h and s, security services collaboration.
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How would you expect to know the answers to any of those before any deals were made out of interest?
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
Their delusion reaches new heights from their defence minister yesterday.
“One of the big debates is what do we do with the military assets? Do we start from scratch, do we take an eight per cent share or a nine per cent share of them?

“If we do take a share, what do we take? What are the maintenance contracts? There’s a whole load of things.

“I’m personally very much of the opinion that if we adopt a nine per cent share of the hardware, then we’re pushed down a road from which it is sometimes very difficult to come back.

“I don’t think you can have a bespoke independent Scottish defence policy if you are immediately saddled with taking eight or nine per cent of assets.tion



He told the meeting the party expect to spend about 1.6 per cent of GDP on defence. That would be around the EU and Nato average but less than Nato’s recommendation of at least two per cent.

Questioned if an independent Scotland would have its own intelligence service, O’Hara said: “There’s obviously a very sophisticated intelligent network that exists as part of the UK and it would make no sense for us to tear that down.

“Once Scotland is an independent country, we’re going to co-operate extremely closely with our immediate neighbour. We’d want to build on what’s there. We’d certainly want to work as close as possible in order to make sure that what currently works continues to work.”

The SNP’s previous framework assumed an entirely new agency after a Yes vote.
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Can't see the Americans allowing scotland to join NATO, they've already told germany they have to spend the full 2%, so a new joiner will have to spend that as well, if not more. Also a problem is NATO is a nuclear power and the SNP is against nukes so that wont sit well.
 
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