You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
Sturgeon wants another referendum
- Thread starter blue cigar
- Start date
The problem with that is we are out of the EU and our jobs reliant on it are fucked.
If we wouldn't be allowed in then the No would win.
All depends upon cultivating us remaing which us happening.
This will be sorted before the ref,or as I said, yes has no chance.
So we can't wait until after, about the same time would suit me,
Well - in this instance it will just need to be a position of 'tough luck' - simply because there is no scope for a further referendum in Scotland to be held before the completion of the Brexit negotiations
It is not going to happen and no amount of moaning about it is going to change that simple fact
As I have said previously it is a simple fact of 'we are where we are' - not 'Where you might wish us to be'
It really is that simple
Magicpole
Well-Known Member
Well - in this instance it will just need to be a position of 'tough luck' - simply because there is no scope for a further referendum in Scotland to be held before the completion of the Brexit negotiations
It is not going to happen and no amount of moaning about it is going to change that simple fact
As I have said previously it is a simple fact of 'we are where we are' - not 'Where you might wish us to be'
It really is that simple
As Sammy Johnson once said.
Only but a fool worries about things they cannot change.
We need to wait and see.
Magicpole
Well-Known Member
As an Englishman I say great let them have their vote and hopefully they say yes. England will be so much richer without them
Then why are the people who know that's not the case desperate to keep us twice now?
Surely being royally fucked with Brexit would be the best time if that was true?
As Sammy Johnson once said.
Only but a fool worries about things they cannot change.
We need to wait and see.
Well it will be frustrating wait for you, IMO.
Your chance was in the attempts to undermine the A50 bill with amendments that could ensure that the negotiations could be dragged out forever. Now that ship has sailed you will not find the UK government wanting to add to the list of 'things to be dealt with' this side of the 2020 GE.
Then why are the people who know that's not the case desperate to keep us twice now?
Surely being royally fucked with Brexit would be the best time if that was true?
The UK government needs to represent the UK people and as far as they are concerned there is no desperate desire to 'keep you'.
Take a look at this thread - we are not that desperate to keep you at all - have you really read many - actually any - posts that would demonstrate that we are?
No of course not - quite the opposite
It is only the sections of the Scottish communities that think the world should revolve around them - the 5m tail wagging the 60m dog. No we just think that you should get over yourselves - now is not your turn or time - next year won't we either nor any before 2021 - and the vast majority of UK citizens are totally fine with that
Magicpole
Well-Known Member
The UK government needs to represent the UK people and as far as they are concerned there is no desperate desire to 'keep you'.
Take a look at this thread - we are not that desperate to keep you at all - have you really read many - actually any - posts that would demonstrate that we are?
No of course not - quite the opposite
It is only the sections of the Scottish communities that think the world should revolve around them - the 5m tail wagging the 60m dog. No we just think that you should get over yourselves - now is not your turn or time - next year won't we either nor any before 2021 - and the vast majority of UK citizens are totally fine with that
Of course I have noticed the desire to tell us to fuck off. It's nearly every post. How we will run up a bigger debt
than Africa. How we will come back begging to be let back and promise not to get drunk and cause fights in shopping centres, blah mc blah.
I'm talking about the people who know the real cost and aren't as keen.
Magicpole
Well-Known Member
The UK government needs to represent the UK people and as far as they are concerned there is no desperate desire to 'keep you'.
Take a look at this thread - we are not that desperate to keep you at all - have you really read many - actually any - posts that would demonstrate that we are?
No of course not - quite the opposite
It is only the sections of the Scottish communities that think the world should revolve around them - the 5m tail wagging the 60m dog. No we just think that you should get over yourselves - now is not your turn or time - next year won't we either nor any before 2021 - and the vast majority of UK citizens are totally fine with that
May cannot stop it, it's a manifesto pledge and voted for. You can all say it won't happen until you are blue in the face.
It will happen to coincide with the death flap of Brexit.
B
B
blueinsa
Guest
May cannot stop it, it's a manifesto pledge and voted for. You can all say it won't happen until you are blue in the face.
It will happen to coincide with the death flap of Brexit.
Cool story bro apart from the critical bit.
May can stop it and she has, for now.
You need permission to hold the referendum, end of.
"FRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDOOOOOMMM!!!!!
Magicpole
Well-Known Member
Cool story bro apart from the critical bit.
May can stop it and she has, for now.
You need permission to hold the referendum, end of.
"FRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDOOOOOMMM!!!!!
It will happen around about the cutting of the throat Brexit deal.
B
B
blueinsa
Guest
It will happen around about the cutting of the throat Brexit deal.
Your poster girl and champagne socialist leader is far too busy playing politics right now.
Appease the hordes whilst desperately grabbing at further devolved power deals behind the scenes.
You're being played MP and you know it.
Magicpole
Well-Known Member
Your poster girl and champagne socialist leader is far too busy playing politics right now.
Appease the hordes whilst desperately grabbing at further devolved power deals behind the scenes.
You're being played MP and you know it.
Stranger things have happened. But, I doubt it.
May cannot stop it, it's a manifesto pledge and voted for. You can all say it won't happen until you are blue in the face.
It will happen to coincide with the death flap of Brexit.
It is a Manifesto pledge of the SNP - not the party that is leading UK government with a workable majority
So sorry - wishful thinking.
No chance of this being scheduled in at the time you suggest - because it is not a decision that can be made by the SNP and the UK government will have much more important matters to deal with at that time
Anyway - off to the Bakers Arms to watch CITY - I might do some canvassing of opinions
B
B
blueinsa
Guest
Stranger things have happened. But, I doubt it.
Nailed on.
She knows she isnt in a position to either win a 2nd indy ref or gain entry to the EU and she knows the Scottish economy isnt strong enough either.
All a big game, pretending to actually give a fuck about the poor whilst she enjoys the largest salary in British politics.
You want rid of the Tories? Vote labour its that simple.
Magicpole
Well-Known Member
Your poster girl and champagne socialist leader is far too busy playing politics right now.
Appease the hordes whilst desperately grabbing at further devolved power deals behind the scenes.
You're being played MP and you know it.
"Appease the hordes whilst desperately grabbing at further devolved power deals behind the scenes."
That paints a great picture.
Hordes hordeing about as hordes do demanding to be appeased whilstSturgeon, sipping a glass of champers and eating deep fried haggis balls, slinking about asking for control of the Northern fleet in a smoke filled room.
That's how it will happen, appease and betray. Sound political strategy.
Magicpole
Well-Known Member
Nailed on.
She knows she isnt in a position to either win a 2nd indy ref or gain entry to the EU and she knows the Scottish economy isnt strong enough either.
All a big game, pretending to actually give a fuck about the poor whilst she enjoys the largest salary in British politics.
You want rid of the Tories? Vote labour its that simple.
Even if all of the seats were won by Labour last time, Tories still win.
We have 57 out of 59 MPs, if that's not a mandate then what is?
You keep harking on about Salmond saying once in a lifetime, but forget Thatcher saying we get it when we have a maj of MPs.
What happened to that?
B
B
blueinsa
Guest
Even if all of the seats were won by Labour last time, Tories still win.
We have 57 out of 59 MPs, if that's not a mandate then what is?
You keep harking on about Salmond saying once in a lifetime, but forget Thatcher saying we get it when we have a maj of MPs.
What happened to that?
You had it and lost.
Listen to your own people for once yeah?
Gaylord du Bois
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- 16 Aug 2010
- Messages
- 30,091
- Location
- Great Umbrage.
- Team supported
- Glory Hunting Blue. Was Chelsea.
May cannot stop it, it's a manifesto pledge and voted for. You can all say it won't happen until you are blue in the face.
It will happen to coincide with the death flap of Brexit.
You lost seats on that manifesto. Also you'd be relying on the Greens to brake theirs to be yourselves, which is more than a tad hypocritical don't you think?
Magicpole
Well-Known Member
You lost seats on that manifesto. Also you'd be relying on the Greens to brake theirs to be yourselves, which is more than a tad hypocritical don't you think?
We actually got more votes than the time we had a maj. Due to the weird electoral system designed to prevent an outright maj, we had votes shared with other parties and as a result were one seat short of another overall majority.
You can look that up.
The Greens were part if the Yes coalition, so it's hardly a shock that they too feel Brexut us a significant change.
The mandate is there. And May wil be in the difficult position if refusing the manifesto pledge endorsed by both the 57 seats at Westminster and being in Gov.
What part if that don't you get. The three unionist parties combined could not take power.
Now uf that doesn't tell you what people wanted I'am afraid you will never be convinced.
We need a swing of 300,000 votes to turn the result 55/45. Old people gave passed on, young people coming in.
It's doeable.
That's all I'm saying.