Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

[The perfect fumble]

Why is it patronising to say that the opinion that happens to be the one that you agree with is the only one based on facts and logic and the opposition is entirely emotional?

Is that a real question?

Then refutation would blow my argument out of the water, but where is it? All I get is an emotional response.

 

[blueonblue]

As I said, emotion is the leavers driving force. This is a gut response, fuelled by gutter journalism and a heavy dose of jingoism. Your post drips with misplaced hatred and resentment with the use of words like "parasite" and "dictate" and ludicrous toytown analogies to depict the greatest political gamble of a generation.

And this weeks award for not being able to answer a point while spouting tripe goes to......You ;0)

 

[The perfect fumble]

"Yes my opinion might be stupid but you believe something I think is stupid too so that makes it ok"

Maybe it's your emotional connection to patriotism and borders and flags that makes you think a one world Government is stupid rather than my superior facts and logic and reason?

I'm sure there's an alternate universe where that's the killer punch, you couldn't point in its direction could you?

 

[Damocles]

Then refutation would blow my argument out of the water, but where is it? All I get is an emotional response.

Because you're arguing emotionally. You're not talking about trade deficits, agricultural policies or currency transactions; you're calling people little Englander xenophobes.

Through your Europhobic eyes, every trip, every stumble and shit storm coming our way reinforces your Euro-scepticism and you assume everyone sees it that way.

They don't.

The strong stand we take is determined and resolute, a sign of strength and resolve. Similar firm but opposite positions held by the remaining 27 EU members are shifty and punitive.

It's raw jingoism.

Yes, but it doesn't have the requisite lost jobs, depressed living standards and jingoistic bullshit to satisfy a red, white and blue Brexit.

As I said, emotion is the leavers driving force. This is a gut response, fuelled by gutter journalism and a heavy dose of jingoism. Your post drips with misplaced hatred and resentment with the use of words like "parasite" and "dictate" and ludicrous toytown analogies to depict the greatest political gamble of a generation.

I don't attempt to be high brow, I am high brow.

You want something you will never get, blind obedience. I don't care whether 99.99% voted to leave, all that gives you is the right to leave, it does not give you the right to insist I agree with you and I don't.

Had remain won I wouldn't have expected you to change your mind and I'd have been happy for you to spout Europhobic bollocks to your hearts content.

I called somebody else about this recently on here, but you don't get to be part of the problem while calling out the problem and not be hypocritical.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Maybe it's your emotional connection to patriotism and borders and flags that makes you think a one world Government is stupid rather than my superior facts and logic and reason?

I've never really thought about it.

But whatever my opinion is on EU membership as it chimes in with Governor of the Bank Of England and prior to the referendum virtually every business organisation in the UK, every international trade body and every mainstream party in this country save UKIP, it isn't claptrap.

 

[Len Rum]

Read the post again. You are making an a arbitrary decision on the definition of bad deal in order to promote your view.


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There are some bad deals that will be better than no deal and some that are worse.
So perhaps the Remainer should have said "No deal is better than some bad deals, but some bad deals will be better than no deal".
However when you're trying to desperately bluff, it doesn't quite have the same ring does it?

 

[sir baconface]

Then refutation would blow my argument out of the water, but where is it? All I get is an emotional response.

Hear, hear. Would you believe there are some posters whose stock-in trade is supercilious pronouncements and gutter insults....?

 

[The perfect fumble]

Because you're arguing emotionally. You're not talking about trade deficits, agricultural policies or currency transactions; you're calling people little Englander xenophobes.

I called somebody else about this recently on here, but you don't get to be part of the problem while calling out the problem and not be hypocritical.

Oh dear.

Our trade deficit is structural and stems from a long history stretching back to Churchill in the early 50's of eschewing any form of industrial planning. Our present predicament is not brought about by membership of the EU, in fact membership has shielded us from many of the structural problems in our economy.

Agricultural policy has for a long time been driven by the EU. Food production in Europe is heavily subsidised because it is uncompetitive, we now have the opportunity, should we choose to take it, of turning rural UK into just that, a theme park of meadows and wild life with a few locals acting as custodians of the countryside dotted with empty villages and unemployment.

Currency transaction? Not sure if you're talking about Euros for your hols in Majorca or the City of London.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Hear, hear. Would you believe there are some posters whose stock-in trade is supercilious pronouncements and gutter insults....?

They should be named and shamed.

 

[Damocles]

I've never really thought about it.

You'd like it. When people hear one world Government they think corporate control but think how strong this could make global labour unions when a worker in Bangladesh is asking for the same worker protections and wage controls as a person in Essex. The capitalists would like the true free market aspect of things, unionists would understand how many protections this could put in place to economically exploited people.

In fact, think of a world where we could have a single official language, a single tax policy with nowhere in the world to hide for corporations and biggest of all a single benefits system that every single person in the world would be entitled to. Imagine how much good we could do if Universal Credit, Housing Benefit and pensions were available to people in the Sudan. Imagine how much good a worldwide NHS could do.

Many people in the world have this idea that there's £100 in the world and for us to have £60 then others can only have £40 and its dead wrong. The history of the world post war hasn't shown this to be the case at all. When we invest in other countries infrastructure, invest in their social security and their entrepreneurial spirit, we create a richer country there which gives us yet another trading partner to spur wealth creation in our own country. Making other people richer in our economic systems makes us richer in the long run too.

This can't be achieved by badly administered global aid programmes and while private charities are doing amazing work in the world, it is not a sector which should be left up to them. A one world Government would be challenging to be efficient and to stave off corruption, I do accept this as a point, but it would do the most good for the most amount of people on the planet and that should be the point.

 

[sir baconface]

There are some bad deals that will be better than no deal and some that are worse.
So perhaps the Remainer should have said "No deal is better than some bad deals, but some bad deals will be better than no deal".
However when you're trying to desperately bluff, it doesn't quite have the same ring does it?

You continue to amuse.

Perfectly qualified to huff, puff and sneer from the sidelines because neither you nor your political mates will be entrusted with positions of responsibility as long as you have holes in your backsides.

 

[sir baconface]

They should be named and shamed.

I'm far too sensitive and diplomatic...

 

[The perfect fumble]

You continue to amuse.

Perfectly qualified to huff, puff and sneer from the sidelines because neither you nor your political mates will be entrusted with positions of responsibility as long as you have holes in your backsides.

Fair enough, but could you have a word with your political mates, who are entrusted with positions of responsibility, to stop using the holes in their backsides in our relations with out nearest neighbours?

 

[Magicpole]

Sadly for you that is not how you come across on this forum.

Show me a post where I wish hell fire and damnation on you? You won't find one. On the other hand I just need look at your last few and that is not reciprocated. As many ithers are too.

Because I think it's going to be fucked, does not mean and I want anybody to suffer that. My anger stems from the fact I believe it will be people from my class that will end up getting the worst end of the shitty stick.

What kind of utter **** would I be if I wanted men women and children to endure that?

You mixing up being fucked off with the situation with wanting revenge of some sort. I don't.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Show me a post where I wish hell fire and damnation on you? You won't find one. On the other hand I just need look at your last few and that is not reciprocated. As many ithers are too.

Because I think it's going to be fucked, does not mean and I want anybody to suffer that. My anger stems from the fact I believe it will be people from my class that will end up getting the worst end of the shitty stick.

What kind of utter **** would I be if I wanted men women and children to ensure that?

You mixing up being fucjed off with the situation with wanting revenge if some sort. I don't.

Don't worry about it mate. Now those leftie luvvies have been seen off and we are, in all likelyhood, going to have an unchallenged conservative government for another decade and a half, the milk of human kindness will be flowing down to all and sundry! We are all in this together, don't you know?

 

[Magicpole]

Don't worry about it mate. Now those leftie luvvies have been seen off and we are, in all likelyhood, going to have an unchallenged conservative government for another decade and a half, the milk of human kindness will be flowing down to all and sundry! We are all in this together, don't you know?

By the time that milk reaches us it's off and covered in flies.

15 years of Tories or their by then copycat labour equivalent thereafter reminds me of a Blackadder quote:

A fate worse than a fate worse than death.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Show me a post where I wish hell fire and damnation on you? You won't find one. On the other hand I just need look at your last few and that is not reciprocated. As many ithers are too.

Because I think it's going to be fucked, does not mean and I want anybody to suffer that. My anger stems from the fact I believe it will be people from my class that will end up getting the worst end of the shitty stick.

What kind of utter **** would I be if I wanted men women and children to endure that?

You mixing up being fucked off with the situation with wanting revenge of some sort. I don't.

People of your class? Dont mp worry people on benefits are always looked after in the UK.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Why is it patronising to say that the opinion that happens to be the one that you agree with is the only one based on facts and logic and the opposition is entirely emotional?

Is that a real question?

To be fair, the future cannot be based on fact. All we've got to go on is 40 years of an unprecedented rise in living standards, huge improvements in workers rights, free and unrestricted travel across Europe (not to mention no European wars for the longest time). I remember what the 70's and early 80's were really like and I'd rather not go back there. I'm not talking anything down, nor castigating anyone's opinion, I just worry worry that we're making a decision with absolutely no understanding of the consequences, more and nothing less.

 

[sir baconface]

Fair enough, but could you have a word with your political mates, who are entrusted with positions of responsibility, to stop using the holes in their backsides in our relations with out nearest neighbours?

Sorry, but I'd prefer them to have every orifice primed.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

By the time that milk reaches us it's off and covered in flies.

15 years of Tories or their by then copycat labour equivalent thereafter reminds me of a Blackadder quote:

A fate worse than a fate worse than death.

Haha here we go again woa me woa me!!. We are so hard done by up in Scotland with 120% of the uk average spent per person. What a whinging joke you are!