Claudio Bravo - 2016/2017 performances (continued)

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Regardless, the comment he replied to was silly and evidently incorrect.
Neither silly or incorrect,on his current form everyone thinks he is crap,probably when he leaves us he'll go back to being good,some moves just don't work out.I read we are letting fewer shots on goal so if we had a keeper making saves we would be better off points wise surely ?
 
Neither silly or incorrect,on his current form everyone thinks he is crap,probably when he leaves us he'll go back to being good,some moves just don't work out.I read we are letting fewer shots on goal so if we had a keeper making saves we would be better off points wise surely ?
Only if the goals he's conceded have led to points being dropped, which I'm not sure too many have.
 
Paul Merson was writing him off before he signed and the 'I prefer a keeper who can catch' mantra was born before Bravo had even signed.
The stop pissing around at the back mantra is strong amongst many City fans.

Bravo has had poor form in terms of shot stopping since he arrived. Although he's actually had some very good games.
Many City fans wanted an elite top 5 in the World keeper to replace Hart, we signed a universally recognised top 5 keeper but he's struggled.
Some just don't like change.

Bravo has struggled but even if he hadn't and had been decent, some fans would still slate him.


Regardless of his previous form he has been poor at the main thing he is suposed to do as a keeper and that is keeping the ball out of the net. Fans are going to judge him on his performances for us today not what he did for Barca or whoever. His confidence must be really low now as Pep dropped him then brings him back and he makes a mistake with the only save he has to make. He hasnt worked out it happens with some players. Maybe he will recover maybe he will be given time I dont know, no one does apart from Pep and Bravo.
 
We would have to dissect that game by game but if he makes 2 or 3 saves a game like every other keeper does he would have saved us points like all good keepers do,i'm sorry but i don't see him doing the basics and no amount of to and fro on here is going to change that,only he can do that


Edit that was a reply to pablo
 
Neither silly or incorrect,on his current form everyone thinks he is crap,probably when he leaves us he'll go back to being good,some moves just don't work out.I read we are letting fewer shots on goal so if we had a keeper making saves we would be better off points wise surely ?

If we had a better shot stopper (mentioning no names) then we'd almost certainly have a keeper who isn't as successful in the style of play which has lead to us conceding less shots. We'd either be back to hoofing the ball to our opposition nearly every time or the keeper wouldn't have the ability to play the kind of passes required to maintain possession in a small space on a consistent basis.

I thought the comment you responded to originally was about people "in the game" rating him? I'm not being snide - and correct me if I'm wrong - when I assume you don't have any connections and aren't in a position to speak on their behalf. Neither do I but the facts suggest otherwise.

I get that blues aren't arsed about what he achieved before he came to us, but I highly doubt that the professionals he's worked with and against have the short memories of those on here. They've seen him day in day out, he still captains his national team, they voted for him as one of the best in the world and they speak in nothing other than respectful terms. Unless you're talking about the Soccer Saturday panel who I wouldn't classify as being "in the game".
 
If we had a better shot stopper (mentioning no names) then we'd almost certainly have a keeper who isn't as successful in the style of play which has lead to us conceding less shots. We'd either be back to hoofing the ball to our opposition nearly every time or the keeper wouldn't have the ability to play the kind of passes required to maintain possession in a small space on a consistent basis.

I thought the comment you responded to originally was about people "in the game" rating him? I'm not being snide - and correct me if I'm wrong - when I assume you don't have any connections and aren't in a position to speak on their behalf. Neither do I but the facts suggest otherwise.

I get that blues aren't arsed about what he achieved before he came to us, but I highly doubt that the professionals he's worked with and against have the short memories of those on here. They've seen him day in day out, he still captains his national team, they voted for him as one of the best in the world and they speak in nothing other than respectful terms. Unless you're talking about the Soccer Saturday panel who I wouldn't classify as being "in the game".

Some will simply never get this angle.
 
If we had a better shot stopper (mentioning no names) then we'd almost certainly have a keeper who isn't as successful in the style of play which has lead to us conceding less shots. We'd either be back to hoofing the ball to our opposition nearly every time or the keeper wouldn't have the ability to play the kind of passes required to maintain possession in a small space on a consistent basis.

I thought the comment you responded to originally was about people "in the game" rating him? I'm not being snide - and correct me if I'm wrong - when I assume you don't have any connections and aren't in a position to speak on their behalf. Neither do I but the facts suggest otherwise.

I get that blues aren't arsed about what he achieved before he came to us, but I highly doubt that the professionals he's worked with and against have the short memories of those on here. They've seen him day in day out, he still captains his national team, they voted for him as one of the best in the world and they speak in nothing other than respectful terms. Unless you're talking about the Soccer Saturday panel who I wouldn't classify as being "in the game".
I understand about the first bit,the bottom line is we need a keeper that can do both,i feel for the guy i really do but we are in the run-in now and we can't be letting every shot in,a compromise on the distribution has to be done,be pragmatic and put the best shot stopper in,willy is confident give him the shirt back and sort it out in the summer
I only read uk press and bravo is not rated here by anyone
 
Completely agree with this. Ederson looks like he could be the answer to that but until then we'll either have to compromise on our entire system of play or compromise on our ability to keep a couple of shots out.
It's not a couple though is it,willy can give the distribution a go to the best of his ability for now,pep was telling him to kick it long last time he was in goal so i suspect he see's the need to be pragmatic for the time being,it's a mess really
 
Some will simply never get this angle.

Do you, it seems to me that some people are having real trouble understanding that people would like a keeper that can save a shot coupled with the ability to pass the football like Pep requires
If we had a better shot stopper (mentioning no names)

It seems to me also that there is only one side of the arguers not mentioning this name, even with a bracketed huge hint.

then we'd almost certainly have a keeper who isn't as successful in the style of play which has lead to us conceding less shots. We'd either be back to hoofing the ball to our opposition nearly every time or the keeper wouldn't have the ability to play the kind of passes required to maintain possession in a small space on a consistent basis.


I don't understand your logic in the belief that they are not mutually compatible, a keeper who can save and kick is surely available somewhere, surely you don't really believe that being able to save a shot means you can not play as a sweeper keeper, or was this another barb at the unmentionable one ?

Exactly, and this is why I no longer take people seriously who clamour the return of Hart. He's the polar opposite of what we want. It's like playing on the counter attack with crouch instead of Aguero etc.

Not many people clamouring for him back, take Karen a huge erm you know who fan, has said countless times he wouldn't fit Peps system, I think you are getting confused with people who just want a keeper who is likely to save the odd shot directed within his compass.

It really is a shame for the bloke, a quality keeper but not at present well not for us, not watched him in any recent internationals to see if he becomes a different keeper or more to the point his old self when back in his national team, anybody seen his recent games for Chile ?
 
It's not a couple though is it,willy can give the distribution a go to the best of his ability for now,pep was telling him to kick it long last time he was in goal so i suspect he see's the need to be pragmatic for the time being,it's a mess really
Pep was telling Willy to go long as he doesn't have the required skills to thread a pass.
 
It seems to me also that there is only one side of the arguers not mentioning this name, even with a bracketed huge hint.

Let's not make this another Joe thing, everything that can be said about that has been said and it's all rather repetitive. I didn't even want to put the bracketed part because I knew someone would take it as a dig when it wasn't intended as one at all. I think he's a better shot stopper, it's as simple as that.

You're now sarcastically calling him 'the unmentionable one' but what your above statement says to me is simply that some people don't talk about Hart and you don't think the others should either. He's an important part of our history, was our number one less than a year ago and is still currently our player so what's your problem?

But you're right, I should have left it out entirely so as to avoid anybody projecting their side of an argument that isn't happening. Which brings me to point two:

I don't understand your logic in the belief that they are not mutually compatible, a keeper who can save and kick is surely available somewhere, surely you don't really believe that being able to save a shot means you can not play as a sweeper keeper

Of course I don't believe that because I'm not a total fucking moron. I've even mentioned another goalkeeper between then and now but you've either not seen it or are choosing to ignore it.
 
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