Claudio Bravo - 2016/2017 performances (continued)

[Bill]

Myth? All them trophies I've seen him win over the past decade are just a figment of my imagination?

yeh it reads well doesn't. I'm only surprised he didn't take the Celtic job.

 

[Rolee]

yeh it reads well doesn't. I'm only surprised he didn't take the Celtic job.

Ridiculous comparison, as you well know.

 

[Scaring Europe to Death]

There's lots of slow,backward passing, so presumably it doesn't count, but the Official Site is currently highlighting Aguero's goal against Hull, where every City player touches the ball in the build-up (although not surprisingly Clichy's touch was the original throw-in)

One of Bravo's touches required vision, confidence, and speed of execution, which Hart and Caballero don't possess.

 

[Rolee]

There's lots of slow,backward passing, so presumably it doesn't count, but the Official Site is currently highlighting Aguero's goal against Hull, where every City player touches the ball in the build-up (although not surprisingly Clichy's touch was the original throw-in)

One of Bravo's touches required vision, confidence, and speed of execution, which Hart and Caballero don't possess.

Agree with your point re Bravo.

But have to pull you up on the Clichy dig, he touched the ball 3 times in the move and it was his pass into the centre to find Yaya which gave the move attacking impetus.

 

[Scaring Europe to Death]

Agree with your point re Bravo.

But have to pull you up on the Clichy dig, he touched the ball 3 times in the move and it was his pass into the centre to find Yaya which gave the move attacking impetus.

100% correct mate.
I've never been a fan of scapegoating players, or refusing to criticise my favourites, but that was before I joined Bluemoon.

 

[Rolee]

100% correct mate.
I've never been a fan of scapegoating players, or refusing to criticise my favourites, but that was before I joined Bluemoon.

Haha, this place will do that to you alright.

 

[BillyShears]

yeh it reads well doesn't. I'm only surprised he didn't take the Celtic job.

What a shit comment.

 

[BillyShears]

wait a minute. what about Pep's famed attack policy? why not do it whilst er attacking? he plays on the front foot in defence and the back foot attacking. make your mind up gaffer. I know, lets try it my way. defend properly then see where it gets us up front, you never know we may win a title .... or two.

anyway going off topic.

carry on.

Another series of shit comments.

 

[HelloCity]

Another series of shit comments.

It's frightening just how thick people can be on here. Sounds like he is to fans, what Tony Adams is to managers. He'd be loving it if Big Sam was in charge.

Won't get a peep out of him this time next season mind.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

It's frightening just how thick people can be on here. Sounds like he is to fans, what Tony Adams is to managers. He'd be loving it if Big Sam was in charge.

Won't get a peep out of him this time next season mind.

I think it's a bit out of order to call people thick because they have a very different view of what they see happening at City at the moment. I doubt there will be many people much happier than Bill if we are absolutely brilliant next season but I'm guessing that's the whole point, he's presumably not convinced that is going to be the case. I have some similar concerns, the way we defend really worries me and I'm not totally convinced Pep will sort it out either. He might, he might not, time will tell but I don't think it makes me some kind of idiot for thinking that just as I don't think you're an idiot for just assuming we will be incredible.

 

[pudge]

I think it's a bit out of order to call people thick because they have a very different view of what they see happening at City at the moment. I doubt there will be many people much happier than Bill if we are absolutely brilliant next season but I'm guessing that's the whole point, he's presumably not convinced that is going to be the case. I have some similar concerns, the way we defend really worries me and I'm not totally convinced Pep will sort it out either. He might, he might not, time will tell but I don't think it makes me some kind of idiot for thinking that just as I don't think you're an idiot for just assuming we will be incredible.

No no no.

You're allowed to be belittled, called thick/a ****, all sorts just so long as you're not a professional footballer who's playing shite.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

No no no.

You're allowed to be belittled, called thick/a ****, all sorts just so long as you're not a professional footballer who's playing shite.

We've reached a point where if people question our defending or indeed just aren't totally convinced everything is going to be amazing in September then they are ridiculed. I like Pep but I have to say this place has become a cult of Pep forum as much as a City forum, can't be doing with it. No city manager should be immune to scrutiny imo.

 

[super_city_si]

I think he'll play this weekend against Southampton.

 

[philiph20]

We've reached a point where if people question our defending or indeed just aren't totally convinced everything is going to be amazing in September then they are ridiculed. I like Pep but I have to say this place has become a cult of Pep forum as much as a City forum, can't be doing with it. No city manager should be immune to scrutiny imo.

Absolutely I would hate us to become like RAWK, one of the things about city fans I like is we are incredibly individualistic and not united in the slightest, everyone seems to have different opinions and we fight like cats unlike the brainwashed lemmings in red at either end of the East Lancs Rd.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

I think he'll play this weekend against Southampton.

I'm sure he will. Absolutely no doubt at all.

 

[HelloCity]

I think it's a bit out of order to call people thick because they have a very different view of what they see happening at City at the moment. I doubt there will be many people much happier than Bill if we are absolutely brilliant next season but I'm guessing that's the whole point, he's presumably not convinced that is going to be the case. I have some similar concerns, the way we defend really worries me and I'm not totally convinced Pep will sort it out either. He might, he might not, time will tell but I don't think it makes me some kind of idiot for thinking that just as I don't think you're an idiot for just assuming we will be incredible.

We defend badly because our full backs are past it and would struggle to get games for more than half the Premier League.

We've also got a young centre half with no real leader along side him.

Our defensive a midfielders are also in their 30's as well.

You can't wave a wand and make the likes of Clichy be good again.

It's just basic common sense really. Pep sides usually defend just as well as they attack and even a basic upgrade on the full backs will see a rapid improvement.

I genuinely have no idea why you 'wouldn't be convinced' as there's been absolutely nothing in his career that could lead you to that conclusion.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

We defend badly because our full backs are past it and would struggle to get games for more than half the Premier League.

We've also got a young centre half with no real leader along side him.

Our defensive a midfielders are also in their 30's as well.

You can't wave a wand and make the likes of Clichy be good again.

It's just basic common sense really. Pep sides usually defend just as well as they attack and even a basic upgrade on the full backs will see a rapid improvement.

I genuinely have no idea why you 'wouldn't be convinced' as there's been absolutely nothing in his career that could lead you to that conclusion.

What has happened in his career prior to joining City is not an absolute guarantee that the same will happen here. That's not how it works with players or managers when they move club, there is always some element of risk that it won't work out as planned. I think the defending this season has been embarrassing so I could just as easily say to you, what have you seen this season to make you totally convinced the defending will be fine next season? The truth is neither of us know for sure and not being convinced is not any more controversial a position to take than being totally convinced. We all want Pep to succeed, he probably will but fuck all wrong with people questioning the way it will pan out on the basis of what they have seen this season.

 

[blueparrot]

We defend badly because our full backs are past it and would struggle to get games for more than half the Premier League.

We've also got a young centre half with no real leader along side him.

Our defensive a midfielders are also in their 30's as well.

You can't wave a wand and make the likes of Clichy be good again.

It's just basic common sense really. Pep sides usually defend just as well as they attack and even a basic upgrade on the full backs will see a rapid improvement.

I genuinely have no idea why you 'wouldn't be convinced' as there's been absolutely nothing in his career that could lead you to that conclusion.

There is a myth perpetuated by the uk media and which some are to willing to believe that Pep is some sort of Spanish Keegan. When as you say there is nothing in Peps past record to back that view up. I would be willing to bet we have the least goals conceded next season.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

There is a myth perpetuated by the uk media and which some are to willing to believe that Pep is some sort of Spanish Keegan. When as you say there is nothing in Peps past record to back that view up. I would be willing to bet we have the least goals conceded next season.

How much and at what odds?

 

[HelloCity]

What has happened in his career prior to joining City is not an absolute guarantee that the same will happen here. That's not how it works with players or managers when they move club, there is always some element of risk that it won't work out as planned. I think the defending this season has been embarrassing so I could just as easily say to you, what have you seen this season to make you totally convinced the defending will be fine next season? The truth is neither of us know for sure and not being convinced is not any more controversial a position to take than being totally convinced. We all want Pep to succeed, he probably will but fuck all wrong with people questioning the way it will pan out on the basis of what they have seen this season.

Sometimes football is really logical.

I'd say City have the third best overall side in the league and strangely enough, I think we'll finish third.

What I've seen this season is that we have players in the defensive and defensive midfield positions who are several years past their best.

It's like Demichelis last season. There's nothing any manager or God could have done last season to make him better. He'd just gone, and the same is unfortunately true for a couple of others this season.

Barring us playing like United by playing defensive and sacrificing goals scored in favour of not conceding, there's not much we could really do to improve our defending with the current lot. On that basis, I'd much rather have watched City this season that the state of even United's 'good' performances this season, so I'm happy with the approach taken.

The fact that we kept a club record amount of consecutive clean sheets away from home his year, despite the lack of defensive quality also makes me think positively about just what sort of defensive record we could have when we actually have decent defenders to choose from.

For what it's worth, we've probably got the worse set of defenders in the top 6 and by some distance.

Stones seems to have come on a lot in the last 3 months or so though, which I'm obviously very happy about.