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which if they manage to keep it together and hold onto their manager may well bring them trophies.
And therein lies their problems.

They may not pay a Spurs tax but the certainly have their best talent picked off and I'll include their excellent young manager in that.

I'd also add that if their games against the top four were referee'd in the same manner as ours, we'd be well ahead of them in the table today.
 
Where as City have won the league twice, an FA Cup and the league cup twice.

I wouldn't swap the last six years so I could swing a dick showing how our net transfer spend is tiny like some sort of football hipster. I also wouldn't swap our coming five years with theirs either.

no, just merely pointing out that to slam them for not winning anything is a bit presumptive considering they could still win the double.
 
no, just merely pointing out that to slam them for not winning anything is a bit presumptive considering they could still win the double.

Oh, so only this season counts? I thought we were discussing the two clubs since our first season of profligacy.
 
no, just merely pointing out that to slam them for not winning anything is a bit presumptive considering they could still win the double.
His point still stands with regards to what we've won in those years to now and what they could, potentially, win. It still dwarfs them.
 
I mean, other than an opportunity to piss on the parade (which you rarely miss) what reasons do you have to be sceptical of City signing those two players?
What do you mean i rarely miss? i've never seen you post before..? I'm just telling it how it is, which is that it's extremely unrealistic to think we will sign both Sanchez and Mbappe....is that so bad?
 
@pudge Your arguement why it's unlikely to sign both Sanchez and Mbappe, that it would lead to a discontent dressing room, is valid but in a Pep team that rotates almost every game and indeed multiple times per game, isn't so unthinkable.

If Aguero goes, and Kelechi/Nolito perhaps too, then we are left with Sane-Jesus-Sterling and a void should any get injured, tired or go off form. Two more forwards with flexibility to play across the front three, as with Sanchez and Mbappe, is ideal.

What do you mean i rarely miss? i've never seen you post before..?

Then you need to get your short term memory looked into, as you responded to a post of mine (with a negativity of course) in this thread alone last Friday. I recommend not posting again until all memory issues have been resolved.

I'm just telling it how it is, which is that it's extremely unrealistic to think we will sign both Sanchez and Mbappe....is that so bad?

And I'm asking you to provide reasons why you think it's unrealistic, which you have yet to do.
 
What do you mean i rarely miss? i've never seen you post before..? I'm just telling it how it is, which is that it's extremely unrealistic to think we will sign both Sanchez and Mbappe....is that so bad?
What makes you think that?
Seems that there is more reasons pointing to both of them signing
 
Look at it this way, Pep managed to keep attackers at Bayern happy which consisted of Muller, Lewandowski, Costa, Ribery, Robben, Gotze and Coman. That's seven players for four positions. We'd have Sanchez, Mbappe, Jesus, Sane, Sterling and one more potentially. You need depth, we play roughly sixty games a season, and when the games come thick and fast you need the option to rotate.

We need greater quality in depth, look at what happened when we played Stoke at home without Raheem, look at the bench for the Monaco game, the depth is vital to a team that's competing in four competitions.
 
@pudge Your arguement why it's unlikely to sign both Sanchez and Mbappe, that it would lead to a discontent dressing room, is valid but in a Pep team that rotates almost every game and indeed multiple times per game, isn't so unthinkable.

If Aguero goes, and Kelechi/Nolito perhaps too, then we are left with Sane-Jesus-Sterling and a void should any get injured, tired or go off form. Two more forwards with flexibility to play across the front three, as with Sanchez and Mbappe, is ideal.



Then you need to get your short term memory looked into, as you responded to a post of mine (with a negativity of course) in this thread alone last Friday. I recommend not posting again until all memory issues have been resolved.



And I'm asking you to provide reasons why you think it's unrealistic, which you have yet to do.

Might be to do with the fact we have a striker called SERGIO AGUERO at our club...

And IF Pep decided to sell him and bring in these 2 then where does that leave Jesus? 1 of them MAYBE but 2? Seems a tad unrealistic but then again anything can happen, also i don't pay much attention to forum names on here so i'm not going to remember who i do or don't reply to.
 
@pudge Your arguement why it's unlikely to sign both Sanchez and Mbappe, that it would lead to a discontent dressing room, is valid but in a Pep team that rotates almost every game and indeed multiple times per game, isn't so unthinkable.

If Aguero goes, and Kelechi/Nolito perhaps too, then we are left with Sane-Jesus-Sterling and a void should any get injured, tired or go off form. Two more forwards with flexibility to play across the front three, as with Sanchez and Mbappe, is ideal.



Then you need to get your short term memory looked into, as you responded to a post of mine (with a negativity of course) in this thread alone last Friday. I recommend not posting again until all memory issues have been resolved.



And I'm asking you to provide reasons why you think it's unrealistic, which you have yet to do.
If Aguero goes, then I can see Sanchez coming in. Having played under Pep and understanding/accepting his style. However, an 18 year old Mbappe coming in and accepting playing once every two or three games? Sterling accepting more rotation? Sane and Jesus too? No chance.

To believe that Sterling (22), Sané (21), Jesus (20) and Mbappe (18) with Sanchez in the mix as well, who all have the world at their feet and would happily accept stunting their progression with constant rotation is highly unlikely; highly. They'd be in a position where usually clubs will say "They're not getting enough game time, let's offer it to them" like Isco for example, who wants more playing time having to compete with Modric, Kroos, Kovacic, Asensio and even Casemiro.

And that's all assuming Aguero leaves too.

Nolito isn't very good imo but that "type" of signing on top of one of the two discussed is more likely. Someone who doesn't expect to play every game but the potential drop off isn't huge.
 
Maybe so, but for all the talk about how good Spurs are, they're going to miss out on the title again. Same as us. They've a chance of winning the Fa Cup, but they've not won anything in years. For all the criticism of our spending, we've got our trophies in the bag.
We are not in the same bracket as Leicester and Spurs. Yes I admit that we've had some terrible purchases in the last couple of seasons but that doesn't mean we shouldn't make use of whatever advantage we have to put us over in England and Europe. If for example we got Mbappe and managed to sort out the other ares (we've been linked to full backs, athe least one goal keeper, midfielders and center backs), I'd be very pleased. The key for me is getting good value for money spent but some on here are implying that they have a problem with us spending money comparing us with the above mentioned clubs. Take a look at the two Madrid clubs. One has done very well and has punched way beyond their means and got a La Liga title in the process but the other is in a completely different world in terms of profile and achievements. Fair play to Leicester but you are only as big as your ambitions and if you are in this cadre, you only need to go about doing your low-cost low-risk purchases. And it would further help if you have a good manager like Poch who can get good value from these low risk buys. If it doesn't work out, nobody really complains because cost is low and they are not aspiring to win the league anyways. Additionaly Poch has been here for sometime and understands the requirements of the EPL whilst Pep is having his first encounter with the league. Even the almighty Barca that stumbled upon a once-in-a-generation set of talents have come to the sad but true realisation that money is the name of the game in this era. I'm still waiting till they produce the next Messi but for now they surely can do with the less than magnificent Andres Gomes who they got for 40 odd million. The same Barca dominated Spain and Europe for a long time. Guess what? Real Madrid spent loads just to get close to them but it seemed futile then, they never stopped and today we can say quite frankly that the gulf in the quality of both teams has been reduced to almost zero (debatable which side has the better team but I for one think that RM does). Quality will always speak in the long term and outlive those strategies that the likes of Dortmund and Leicester like to employ and I'll tell you what; true quality is nothe always cheap. Nothing bad with these strategies but its all about where you want to be. Not every club wants to win the UCL. Summary: Don't give a shit about Leicester and Co. Spend but make sure to get good value. If you consider what others might say, you'd shortchange yourself because they will always whine no matter what you do.
 
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Appreciate the info as always from TH....and the fact that it wasn't just a video as a clue and an out right statement certainly helped (i can never work out the bloody clues!!!!!!)

We have to remember just because we are interested in signing them, it doesn't mean that we will get them (sanchez and Mbappe) and no one knows whether either or both of them will be playing for Gods own team next season (if i was a betting man Id say Sanchez is the easier of the two to get due to his past relationship with Pep and who will or wont be in for him compared to Mbappe....ie madrid may come sniffing around him but unlikely with Sanchez)

Id "settle" for either but would rather have Mbappe I think (tough choice actually).
 
Not so sure why people are debating about Sanchez and Mbappe possibly coming in. Unsettled dressing room? Pfft. Assuming Aguero leaves, that gives us 5 options for 3 positions. That's ridiculously strong squad depth. League winning, CL hunting, squad depth. We play a huge amount of games a season, all 5 of those will get their turn equally I would imagine. Say we do get those two and we start a game with Sane - Sanchez - Sterling. 60 minutes in and we've missed a load of chances and need a goal so we turn to the bench (how many times have we seen that this season?) We could bring Jesus and Mbappe on and have fresh, hungry, determined, world class players ready to score. That's a mouthwatering thought. Another point is how does the opposition set up against us if they don't know which 3 of those 5 players are going to play? Adds a lot of unpredictability to our game.

There's huge sentiment with Aguero, our finest and most decorated striker. One of my favorite ever players. But as our manager has said it's up to him if he leaves. So if he does pack his bags and go then we need world class players to fill the void, and to replace other attackers who aren't up to the standard.

I fully trust our club to get it right this transfer window. Cannot believe some of you are moaning about us having these kind of ambitions because of what? The players we're linked to are too good to be rotated?
 
Not so sure why people are debating about Sanchez and Mbappe possibly coming in. Unsettled dressing room? Pfft. Assuming Aguero leaves, that gives us 5 options for 3 positions. That's ridiculously strong squad depth. League winning, CL hunting, squad depth. We play a huge amount of games a season, all 5 of those will get their turn equally I would imagine. Say we do get those two and we start a game with Sane - Sanchez - Sterling. 60 minutes in and we've missed a load of chances and need a goal so we turn to the bench (how many times have we seen that this season?) We could bring Jesus and Mbappe on and have fresh, hungry, determined, world class players ready to score. That's a mouthwatering thought. Another point is how does the opposition set up against us if they don't know which 3 of those 5 players are going to play? Adds a lot of unpredictability to our game.

There's huge sentiment with Aguero, our finest and most decorated striker. One of my favorite ever players. But as our manager has said it's up to him if he leaves. So if he does pack his bags and go then we need world class players to fill the void, and to replace other attackers who aren't up to the standard.

I fully trust our club to get it right this transfer window. Cannot believe some of you are moaning about us having these kind of ambitions because of what? The players we're linked to are too good to be rotated?
It's not a simple case of maths; 5 into 3.

It's the standing and expectation of each player. Do you think, one word answer please, that say Sterling (potentially our POTY winner) will be happy with even greater rotation and bench time?

Players may not wish to go where they'll be benched more often than not, shockingly.
 
Hope were interested in the 16 year old Fulham left back Sessegnon. Scored his 7th of the season & is looking a top prospect.
 
It's not a simple case of maths; 5 into 3.

It's the standing and expectation of each player. Do you think, one word answer please, that say Sterling (potentially our POTY winner) will be happy with even greater rotation and bench time?

One word answer, possibly. But I bet he wouldn't mind a well deserved rest every few games. Our players have looked absolutely knackered at times this season and that impacts their performance. It also gives him even more reason to rip it up every game and prove he's better than the other 4.
 
One word answer, possibly. But I bet he wouldn't mind a well deserved rest every few games. Our players have looked absolutely knackered at times this season and that impacts their performance. It also gives him even more reason to rip it up every game and prove he's better than the other 4.
Oh yes, he gets a rest and in comes Mbappe who tears it up, Sterling's then nice and refreshed and takes his place again. Happy, happy Mbappe.

Then Sane gets a rest, despite being a professional footballer and wanting to play every game. He's happy to go on the bench for Mbappe to play.

But then Sanchez wants to play, like he does every week at Arsenal because he's too good for the bench so Jesus sits out. Happy Jesus. Then Sanchez scores for fun but Jesus want's back in, so Mbappe sits out and Jesus plays a few, all the while happy Sane couldn't give a flying fuck sitting on the bench.

All our talented young world beaters take two steps forward and one step back during their progression; everyone's happy!

Players, in a World Cup year, won't go were the potential and partial playing time is. Nor will current ones accept it.

It's the same logic in saying just because we're in for a player that doesn't mean they'll come. Because they'll weigh such options up.
 
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