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Will be a sad day if Sergio leaves in the summer but I think his value will not be higher than it is now. Maybe Sergio behind the scenes has asked to leave? I personally would rather just bring in mbappe even if Sergio leaves and go with the younger players who have no fear. Sterling and sane are stating to tear it up and Jesus looks a player as well!
 
Oh yes, he gets a rest and in comes Mbappe who tears it up, Sterling's then nice and refreshed and takes his place again. Happy, happy Mbappe.

Then Sane gets a rest, despite being a professional footballer and wanting to play every game. He's happy to go on the bench for Mbappe to play.

But then Sanchez wants to play, like he does every week at Arsenal because he's too good for the bench so Jesus sits out. Happy Jesus. Then Sanchez scores for fun but Jesus want's back in, so Mbappe sits out and Jesus plays a few, all the while happy Sane couldn't give a flying fuck sitting on the bench.

All our talented young world beaters take two steps forward and one step back during their progression; everyone's happy!

Players, in a World Cup year, won't go were the potential and partial playing time is. Nor will current ones accept it.

It's the same logic in saying just because we're in for a player that doesn't mean they'll come. Because they'll weigh such options up.

That's a situation that you have just made up through assumption. It has no actual basis on anything.

I'm sure they'll be assured from Guardiola himself about what he's going to do with them, and if they're willing to oblige then they'll sign. It's as simple as that. As for those who are already here, if they're worried about player X taking their spot they'll get assurances too. Pep isn't daft, he knows what he's doing and I trust him to do the right thing for our club. If it's two world class attackers to raise our game, then I certainly won't be crying about it.
 
Will be a sad day if Sergio leaves in the summer but I think his value will not be higher than it is now. Maybe Sergio behind the scenes has asked to leave? I personally would rather just bring in mbappe even if Sergio leaves and go with the younger players who have no fear. Sterling and sane are stating to tear it up and Jesus looks a player as well!
You are basing that all on paper talk and rumours,don't take it so seriously
 
Oh yes, he gets a rest and in comes Mbappe who tears it up, Sterling's then nice and refreshed and takes his place again. Happy, happy Mbappe.

Then Sane gets a rest, despite being a professional footballer and wanting to play every game. He's happy to go on the bench for Mbappe to play.

But then Sanchez wants to play, like he does every week at Arsenal because he's too good for the bench so Jesus sits out. Happy Jesus. Then Sanchez scores for fun but Jesus want's back in, so Mbappe sits out and Jesus plays a few, all the while happy Sane couldn't give a flying fuck sitting on the bench.

All our talented young world beaters take two steps forward and one step back during their progression; everyone's happy!

Players, in a World Cup year, won't go were the potential and partial playing time is. Nor will current ones accept it.

It's the same logic in saying just because we're in for a player that doesn't mean they'll come. Because they'll weigh such options up.

There's always the issue that rarely will all 5 be fully fit.
 
And on the subject of expenditure, it's not that we have wasted big money on too many purchases, it's the fact that we get rinsed when selling as everyone knows we don't need the money, consequently our net spend is always the largest.
 
There's always the issue that rarely will all 5 be fully fit.
Then let's replace Mbappe with Messi. So Messi, Sanchez, Jesus, Sane and Sterling.

Is that still acceptable and feasible because one may get injured?

Who do Barca have outside of Neymar, Messi and Suarez? Who are the other world class, potentially world class, players happy on the bench in case someone gets hurt?

What about Bayern? Who's happy on the bench, because Coman and Costa aren't.

Madrid? Chelsea even? There's a reason those attack forces in such numbers don't exist or last.
 
Then let's replace Mbappe with Messi. So Messi, Sanchez, Jesus, Sane and Sterling.

Is that still acceptable and feasible because one may get injured?

Who do Barca have outside of Neymar, Messi and Suarez? Who are the other world class, potentially world class, players happy on the bench in case someone gets hurt?

What about Bayern? Who's happy on the bench, because Coman and Costa aren't.

Madrid? Chelsea even? There's a reason those attack forces in such numbers don't exist or last.
Not saying you're wrong, just mentioning the way we might be looking at it.

Spain different kettle of fish as Barca spank so many sides that MSN have a rest most games whilst still scoring loads, lol.

Madrid have Isco and Morata on the bench.
 
Not saying you're wrong, just mentioning the way we might be looking at it.

Spain different kettle of fish as Barca spank so many sides that MSN have a rest most games whilst still scoring loads, lol.

Madrid have Isco and Morata on the bench.
And both want more playing time, Morata reportedly wants out no matter what the assurances. It doesn't work.

If we are indeed working on both Sanchez and Mbappe, my opinion would be it's because it's better to in on the ground floor than playing catch up of one falls through. I certainly don't see both joining, even if Aguero leaves. For practical, pragmatic reasons.
 
It's not pissing on the parade.

People can be as sceptical as others are excitable, without the sarky comments. Fuck me, does everyone have to think the sun shine's out everyone's arse or something?

Jesus, Sane, Sterling, Mbappe and Sanchez is an unhappy dressing room waiting to happen, it's not feasible to keep all 5 happy. The players themselves will wonder why it's best to go from starting XI to rotation. Never mind potentially Aguero staying, De Bruyne and Silva still looking a spot on the pitch and the likes of Roberts looking a crack.

One of the two, arguably we need (if Aguero left) but both is neigh on fantasy.

Again only if you presume that those five (if we really had those five) would play exclusively in the front three. Once you get rid of that presumption, nobody has enough information to suggest that the dressing room would be anything but happy.

Tough PL game on Saturday:

-------------------------Bravo
-------Stones-------Kompany---------Laporte
Sterling----------------------------------------------Sane
------------------Silva---------Gundogan
-----Sanchez------------------------------------Mbappe
-------------------------Jesus

Tough CL game 3 days later:

----------------------------Bravo
Fabinho---------Stones----------Laporte--------New LB
--------------------------New Pivot
------------KDB----------------------------Isco
Sanchez-----------------------------------------------Sane
----------------------------Jesus
 
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Again only if you presume that those five (if we really had those five) would play exclusively in the front three. Once you get rid of that presumption, nobody has enough information to suggest that the dressing room would be anything but happy.
Sane was a little perplexed when asked whether he had ever seen himself as a full back, but answered politely.

“That's not my favourite position! I don't like it really, as I have played all of my career in attack and I am happy to play there,” he said.
I think once you get rid of the presumption Pep wants to make every player a personal project and isn't always plucking ideas out of left field, then you realise most players are bought for a sole purpose.

You think Sanchez or Mbappe would play anywhere other than the front 3 positions? Do you even see Jesus doing it? Sane doesn't see himself doing it nor does he want to.
 
I think once you get rid of the presumption Pep wants to make every player a personal project and isn't always plucking ideas out of left field, then you realise most players are bought for a sole purpose.

You think Sanchez or Mbappe would play anywhere other than the front 3 positions? Do you even see Jesus doing it? Sane doesn't see himself doing it nor does he want to.

I see Pep playing Sterling and Sane occasionally at wingback as he has done this season....and before you say it, when Sane played as a wingback he played very attacking.

I don't think there we will have any players that are limited to a single position next season except the keepers.
 
We play so many games I'm sure we could give everyone enough game time to keep them happy.

And the way we're cursed with injuries at least one of them will probably be injured at some point as well. You can't play around 60-65 games a season with the same 3 forwards.
 
Sané and Sterling have been playing so well and looking so exciting as wingers it seems a shame to drop them to wing back, we need their pace and creativity up front.
 
I see Pep playing Sterling and Sane occasionally at wingback as he has done this season....and before you say it, when Sane played as a wingback he played very attacking.

I don't think there we will have any players that are limited to a single position next season except the keepers.
There's a huge difference in playing as a wing back and having defensive duties, something, if anything, Sane's game lacks but that's a different issue.

Neither Sterling nor Sane have played the position traditionally or at all. Look at that PL lineup you posted, that's never been their set up this season. They are where Sanchez and Mbappe are, with perhaps Dinho/Navas and Clichy as the fullbacks. They've been rotating positions along the front three exclusively.

Your two lineups present the problem more so, the CL is what they all strive for. Playing the PL so they can rest in the CL won't go down well.

Again, Messi, Neymar and Suarez are rarely rested. Bale, Benzema, Ronaldo the same. When fit they play, that's the attitude both our potential world beaters and the club want.
 
There's a huge difference in playing as a wing back and having defensive duties, something, if anything, Sane's game lacks but that's a different issue.

Neither Sterling nor Sane have played the position traditionally or at all. Look at that PL lineup you posted, that's never been their set up this season. They are where Sanchez and Mbappe are, with perhaps Dinho/Navas and Clichy as the fullbacks. They've been rotating positions along the front three exclusively.

Your two lineups present the problem more so, the CL is what they all strive for. Playing the PL so they can rest in the CL won't go down well.

Again, Messi, Neymar and Suarez are rarely rested. Bale, Benzema, Ronaldo the same. When fit they play, that's the attitude both our potential world beaters and the club want.

Its the exact formation we played against Everton in October and Sane and Sterling were in those exact positions and I would argue it was one of our most impressive displays of the season.

I don't expect them to play there regularly. But I expect any number of formations next season and players playing in any number of positions. We will have about 15-17 true starters and they will rotate for starts throughout the season and there will not be the kind of drop off we see now when we have to rest a player because of form or injury IMO.

The Barca comparisons have already been addressed. This is not Spain. If we had proper depth we would still be fighting for the title. We have 4 top class attackers competing for 3 spots and it clearly is not enough. That is a fact that you haven't actually addressed yet.
 
I'm a bit nervous about the idea of getting rid of Aguero when we don't yet know whether our other players could replace his goals. Sane's looked good so far in 2017, but both him and Sterling haven't yet reached double figures in all competitions for the season. Jesus obviously looks a talent, but there's only so much you can judge from a few appearances. There are some parallels with when he replaced Eto'o at Barcelona, but it's easier to do that when you have Messi scoring nearly 40 goals from out wide.
 
I really don't think getting Sanchez and Mbappe is workable. The only way it works is if we switch to a 3-4-3 formation and Sane Sterling switch to wide mids. In that case we probably wouldn't need a new CM as wed have Silva, Debryune, Gundogan, Dihno and Delph for predominantly 2 positions.

And we certainly wouldn't need fullbacks either. As Dihno, Delph, Maffeo can comfortably deputize at Wide midfield. And if we do get fullbacks they'd have to be excellent going forward or its pointless.

Having all five in the squad is feasible, but extremely hard to justify. Either way, it wouldn't last more than one season. Whoever, fell off and got less time ( and there will be 1 or 2 who do) will want out the next summer.
 
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