General Election June 8th

[Ronnie the Rep]

Banned posters have certainly never come back to this site ever in other guises.

Can you come up with a reason 11 votes went in for Labour in a 30 min period?

Don't know how to quote two posts so this is a reply to both of yours. Do you really think a very small forum really is that interested in what BM with 60,000 members does? Do you really think 11 of them would organise themselves to vote against the 60K ? What for?

You seem to think the world looks at what you do. In reality that is why God invented mirrors, so you can check yourself out.

As far as I am concerned, the other lot are left wingers except for one gay lib dem and me. I belong to lots of forums. Nothing to see here

 

[Gelsons Dad]

I have to say that I am pleasantly surprised with how the vote is going.

Not the SNP vote, as it's hardly going to get much above what it is for obvious reasons, but Labour.

Still ages to go obviously, but, even with the problems in the Labour Party and they are many, the possibility of continuos right wing Tory rule is not as popular as some on here thought.

I think wider in the country, there is a growing feeling that stopping the Tories is above party allegiance also. That tactical voting will play a pivotal role in this, what I think will be a momentous election in the history of these islands.

I may be wrong, it won't be the first time, but I genuinely feel people will vote to unseat Tories in any way available.

A vote for labour in safe Tory seats is a wasted vote, if the libdums can take it with labour votes then that for me needs to be done.

Mayday Mayday, might just be shouting that, if people use their vote to get rid of her party and reduce the majority further, rather than increase it for her blank cheque Brexit.

If that happens can she survive?

Anybody who thinks this is a cakewalk will be in for a horrible shock, hopefully.

There are plenty of seats where a tactical vote could change the very government.

We who oppose Tory rule, regardless of party allegiance, 63% at the last election, need to think and vote smart.

If we do that then wheels will come off Maydays cart.

That would make my day.

You are wrong.
It will be a bigger landslide than the polls suggest.
Even Wales is turning Blue ;-)

 

[Magicpole]

You are wrong.
It will be a bigger landslide than the polls suggest.
Even Wales is turning Blue ;-)

You may be right. But if people vote tactically they will be in trouble.

 

[Magicpole]

The weird thing with Blair is that if you forget Iraq he was actually a great prime minister and it shows. Even though I disagree with him, at least he has a clear position that people can vote for. That ability to make a decision and ride with it is why he won elections and was elected twice, he chose a route and people agreed with him. Because he was also centrist he had views that weren't at either extreme so he was a great option unless your views were at those fringes.

With Corbyn people still do not know a single thing, every week he just protests at the Tory position but his own position remains unannounced. Why doesn't he just say he is for or against free movement and what he plans to get out of negotiations. His idea so far is to walk in and say to the EU what do you want before he knows what WE want. I get the impression he doesn't care, he just wants to impose marxist rule on the country, who cares about governing..

So fair play to Blair, I don't like what he did with Iraq nor do I agree with his position to overturn the referendum but at least he has a position that I can choose to agree or disagree with.... Corbyn just pontificates about what I should believe and that is what makes him totally unelectable, it is great that he will be gone in a couple of months time.

"Corbyn just pontificates about what I should believe and that is what makes him totally unelectable, it is great that he will be gone in a couple of months time."


That's been said a few times. People can see the bias of the BBC and their complicity in trying to give Mayday a clear run.

The written press are even worse and I have a feeling it could backfire.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

It's weird how the BBC is viewed depending on your political slant. I see the BBC as an arm of the liberal left and as anti conservative as you can get.

 

[Magicpole]

The 'Chip Shop' party has now been formed to target this demographic.

Don't forget the Cake Alliance, The Burgar Bars, The Three For a £'s or indeed The Takeaway Party.

A tactical voting strategy for these groups, the ones who can still walk 20 yards obviously, might, just might be able to overturn the Sugar Tax.

It's all to play for....when I say play, I mean sitting on the couch with a family size bar of Cadbury's, waiting for your micro to ping with with that frozen curry obviously type of playing.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

You may be right. But if people vote tactically they will be in trouble.

Very few people ever vote tactically despite lots of talk before elections. The reason being that it's a private vote.

 

[Magicpole]

Very few people ever vote tactically despite lots of talk before elections. The reason being that it's a private vote.

These are strange times with populists clumping together and narrowly winning. Why not do the same and make your opposition count?

If it happens we will have another siesmic shift. Any thoughts this is going to be a shoe in will be surprised.

 

[GortonBlue62]

Manchester is a deprived northern City, one that the tories have left to rot, and many like it.

The pathfinder funding was pulled as soon as the Condems were voted it, as it was to help Manchester/Salford, Rochdale/Oldham etc. City represent Manchester, and the Tories would let Manchester rot in piss.

Tories passed the Care Act but withdraw funding every year, in will be zero by 2020, and we have to make do using business rates, which they are also cutting, not good for Manchester at all is it?

Manchester is not a deprived northern city.

Any balanced, rational, objective analysis of Manchester's current situation would have to conclude that the city is thriving.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

These are strange times with populists clumping together and narrowly winning. Why not do the same and make your opposition count?

If it happens we will have another siesmic shift. Any thoughts this is going to be a shoe in will be surprised.

It's a Brexit election. We had a referendum already and since then the Conservative party has moved to be fully Brexit. Their vote share will not drop and when you convert that to MPs it will increase. Of the remainers, they have no where to go but Lib Dem. Hence their increase in the polls. Labour Brexiters will either not vote or move to Conservative (see wales and possibly Scotland ;-)) UKipers will move to Tory except those who would rather die than vote Tory (see this thread) so even if all the remainers voted tactically, there aren't enough constituencies where it would make a difference for it to be anything other than a futile gesture.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

It's weird how the BBC is viewed depending on your political slant. I see the BBC as an arm of the liberal left and as anti conservative as you can get.

Concur.

 

[Magicpole]

It's a Brexit election. We had a referendum already and since then the Conservative party has moved to be fully Brexit. Their vote share will not drop and when you convert that to MPs it will increase. Of the remainers, they have no where to go but Lib Dem. Hence their increase in the polls. Labour Brexiters will either not vote or move to Conservative (see wales and possibly Scotland ;-)) UKipers will move to Tory except those who would rather die than vote Tory (see this thread) so even if all the remainers voted tactically, there aren't enough constituencies where it would make a difference for it to be anything other than a futile gesture.

That a lot of assumptions there mate. Let's revisit them after the election and see if Mystic Meg needs to clear out her crystal balls and make way for your good self.

Time will tell.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Manchester is not a deprived northern city.

Any balanced, rational, objective analysis of Manchester's current situation would have to conclude that the city is thriving.

Corbyn and his acolytes have this mantra of telling everyone how dreadful everything is and how the country is a vicious hot bed
of 'Inequality' and people starving to death having to rely on foodbanks. It's a ridiculous stance, and everyone knows it,
the economy is the fastest growing in Europe, welfare has been reined in, meaning the multitudes who were claiming benefits
are now much reduced and back in the workplace, building is continuing apace, and it only takes a look around to see the
increase in prosperity. Telling everyone that the country is in a shit state is fine when it is, but the fact is it isn't.

 

[Magicpole]

Another segment on BBC there about the Yougov poll on Wales that the scepticism of polls is forgot and then went on to have a go at Corbyn.

Shamefully biased

Who knew?

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

Sir Keir Starmer on the BBC not answering a simple question on immigration and highlighting the confusion within the Labour party on policy. Obfuscation and whataboutery designed to confuse the electorate but they'll see through it.

 

[@BluePhil8]

It's weird how the BBC is viewed depending on your political slant. I see the BBC as an arm of the liberal left and as anti conservative as you can get.

It is.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It's weird how the BBC is viewed depending on your political slant. I see the BBC as an arm of the liberal left and as anti conservative as you can get.

I think it's broadly mildly left leaning, resolutely liberal and most definitely part of the establishment.

 

[Dave S]

Corbyn and his acolytes have this mantra of telling everyone how dreadful everything is and how the country is a vicious hot bed
of 'Inequality' and people starving to death having to rely on foodbanks. It's a ridiculous stance, and everyone knows it,
the economy is the fastest growing in Europe, welfare has been reined in, meaning the multitudes who were claiming benefits
are now much reduced and back in the workplace, building is continuing apace, and it only takes a look around to see the
increase in prosperity. Telling everyone that the country is in a shit state is fine when it is, but the fact is it isn't.

Some people do have to rely on food banks.

 

[SWP's back]

Manchester is not a deprived northern city.

Any balanced, rational, objective analysis of Manchester's current situation would have to conclude that the city is thriving.

Doesn't Manchester have a huge amount of inward investment anyway? Look at all the cranes. That should tell Corky something.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Some people do have to rely on food banks.

Why?
My stepson lived for 18 months unemployed, his dole was £75pw and his rent and council tax were paid for.
Now I know this isn't a fortune, but £20 of that went on heat and power and the rest fed and basically clothed him.
Why did he need a foodbank?
If you have children, benefits are far higher, you can check the rates on Yougov.
I understand interim periods between claims can put someone without funds, so a foodbank may be a boon then,
but nobody needs to 'Rely' on them, even in these straightened circumstances the authorities offer emergency funds.