General Election June 8th

[smudgedj]

More borrowing lol.

Hey lets plant some more money trees!

Fucking clueless.

It's the United way.
You buy the company by issuing debt which is used to purchase the company then use the profits of the company to repay the debt.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Even as a "natural Tory", and one who was initially happy she called the GE, I won't lose any sleep over this. She's played a stinker and could do with a helping of crow pie. On Brexit, she'd win hands down. On personal projection and on non-Brexit matters, she's looking more and more like the Empress with No Clothes.

as a natural Labour voter ( old Labour at that ) I rejoice in the news even though
a/ its only polls
b/ I still think it will be a Tory win.
The irony of the only "winner" being Corbyn tickles me. He could better Millibands results and thus be seen as a success. She could fail markedly and come under tremendous internal pressure for as I say not delivering the 200 plus majority predicted, Farron is gong nowhere and UKIP will probably be even further away from an elected MP. Anybody with a sense of humour would have to find that funny

 

[PinkFinal]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/celebrities-backing-jeremy-corbyn_uk_591eb532e4b03b485cb07bdd

Some celebrities backing Labour. Including Ronnie O'Sullivan and Neville Southall.

 

[mcfc1632]

andrew neil brought up a radio broadcast from 2-3 years ago to someone who wasn't corbyn and wasn't in a position to answer rather than talk about what was happening today and farron fumbled again, both these things did nothing to progress the election debate on the manifestos launched, the marr show was the only one that did it's job today the rest ain't worth talking about tbf.

Corbyn has said consistantly he opposes any sides using violence, and that any people in a conflict should find peaceful solutions through dialogue.

Corbyn explicitly refused to condemn the IRA - trying to hide in - "...I condemn all forms of violence.." simply does not wash with the vast majority of UK citizens

 

[mcfc1632]

Did you see the interview or just going off how it's being reported by the vested interests in keeping the status quo?

I saw it - and then replayed it

My conclusion is that, despite my general view that Corbyn if a pretty fine man of principles - on the subject of the being an IRA sympathiser he was clearly a vacillating liar. I would have had more respect if he had the balls to simply state his active support for the IRA.

 

[cibaman]

In fairness, compared to today, most large commercial organisations were run inefficiently back then.

Some things are better run by the state. For me, railways, prisons and most utilities fall into that category - and I am an arch capitalist.

The main problems with the utility that I worked for in the 70s & 80s were: 1) it was dominated by the unions; 2) customers were regarded as the enemy; 3) the government continually interfered in decisions for wider political reasons (eg major capital investment decisions would be taken depending on the electoral cycle). These factors contributed to an extremely unhealthy culture.

I'm sure it would be possible to run the utilities more efficiently today. It would be difficult to do otherwise. I'm not sure that a government led by Corbyn would be very good at it. It seems to me that his policies would be much more union focused than customer focused. I can't see his governement applying a light touch, not interfering in short term decisions. At the very least, he needs to set out the framework under which re-nationalised utilities would operate.

 

[Vic]

Ofwat: "Although the water and sewerage companies are largely monopoly service providers they must compete for capital with other companies. If they do not offer comparable returns to other companies, after taking into account relative risks, they will be unable to secure the capital they need to finance their investment programmes."

Hang on - wasn't one of the Tory arguments for privatisation that they'd be able to borrow money on the open market? That sounded a good thing but Ofwat is implying that there's a shortage of investors pushing up the cost of capital.

Yet the government seems able to borrow money at a lot less than the 5% return that Ofwat thinks reasonable for water company investors (except for Welsh Water which is a "not for profit" company!).

 

[jay_mcfc]

I saw it - and then replayed it

My conclusion is that, despite my general view that Corbyn if a pretty fine man of principles - on the subject of the being an IRA sympathiser he was clearly a vacillating liar. I would have had more respect if he had the balls to simply state his active support for the IRA.

No you wouldn't. You and the rest of the RWNJ's and media would be all over it in sheer desperation, much like it is now. Finally the UK has a leader of one of the main parties who isn't as interested in his career, his bank balance, his coiffed hair, his expensive suit or his legacy as he is interested in the people. Despite a vicious campaign led by the usual deplorable outlets the people on the street are finally starting to see the real man and what he stands for. Remember, we are only 12 months on from a referendum that was the biggest 'anti-establishment' vote in British political history and perhaps all those working class people that were preparing to switch to the Tories might just see Corbyn as the kind of man they would vote for. So now the polls are changing, Corbyn is in the midst of the greatest political campaign in recent history whilst the script reader is making an absolute arse of herself, the RWNJ's are falling back on some bullshit that's irrelevant but sensationalist.

Oooooh Jeremy Corbyn

 

[SWP's back]

STOP! THINK! DON'T VOTE TORY!

Has anyone else noticed that it's always lefties that insist on telling others how to vote?

 

[SWP's back]

Heard on Radio 4 that Corbyn is the only leader who's ratings have gone up since the start of the campaign.

Then you heard wrong. Have a look at the poll or polls. Tories have increased their share.

 

[SWP's back]

But my sceptical side thinks that maybe the MSM and Tories aka NWO

Wibble

 

[The perfect fumble]

Just as they were admired before nationalisation you mean? Look back to the heyday of nationalised industries. National Coal Board, British Steel, British Gas, the docks (?), British Telecom, British Leyland. All bastions of customer excellence, high productivity and efficiency.

Alway easy to sneer about customers when you are employed by the government.

I'm not employed by the government. I've worked in the private sector all my life.

 

[mcfc1632]

No you wouldn't. You and the rest of the RWNJ's and media would be all over it in sheer desperation, much like it is now. Finally the UK has a leader of one of the main parties who isn't as interested in his career, his bank balance, his coiffed hair, his expensive suit or his legacy as he is interested in the people. Despite a vicious campaign led by the usual deplorable outlets the people on the street are finally starting to see the real man and what he stands for. Remember, we are only 12 months on from a referendum that was the biggest 'anti-establishment' vote in British political history and perhaps all those working class people that were preparing to switch to the Tories might just see Corbyn as the kind of man they would vote for. So now the polls are changing, Corbyn is in the midst of the greatest political campaign in recent history whilst the script reader is making an absolute arse of herself, the RWNJ's are falling back on some bullshit that's irrelevant but sensationalist.

Oooooh Jeremy Corbyn

Pathetic

I do not know how old you are - I assume less than 45, because how anyone older than that can worship someone that actively supported the IRA is a mystery to me and speaks IMO to their own utter shallowness

As for RWNJ - me?? What a dick you are

There will be a lot of people (like me) that could not possibly be considered to be RWNJs that will have nothing but contempt for any English person that actively supported the IRA

 

[The perfect fumble]

Pathetic

I do not know how old you are - I assume less than 45, because how anyone older than that can worship someone that actively supported the IRA is a mystery to me and speaks IMO to their own utter shallowness

As for RWNJ - me?? What a dick you are

There will be a lot of people (like me) that could not possibly be considered to be RWNJs that will have nothing but contempt for any English person that actively supported the IRA

Is it possible to support a united Ireland and still be one of your English patriots?

Can I assume you're giving the nod to the Welsh and the Scots to be whatever they like?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Yep, they should give the army to McDonald's and the NHS to Sports Direct.

Get it in the manifesto. Could be popular, that.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Get it in the manifesto. Could be popular, that.

You're right, popularity is the new truth, until it isn't, then it can be replaced with something more popular.

We're living in a golden age.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Is it possible to support a united Ireland and still be one of your English patriots?

Can I assume you're giving the nod to the Welsh and the Scots to be whatever they like?

Corbyn's antics of holding a minutes silence when 8 of his mates were slotted by the SAS, in the process of trying
to blow up a police station, may indeed have a united Ireland as a motive, but the glaring omission in his
heart wrenching appeals never included doing the same for dead unionists. Corbyn, like his odious mate McDonnell
wanted victory for the IRA, not dialogue, he wasn't interested in talking to all parties, which is how dialogue works,
he supported these terrorists, plain and simple.
His rambling, dissembling claptrap never includes, to this day, condemnation of the IRA, for the simple fact is he was
an ardent supporter of their 'cause.'

 

[The perfect fumble]

His rambling, dissembling claptrap never includes, to this day, condemnation of the IRA, for the simple fact is he was
an ardent supporter of their 'cause.'

I don't know enough about Corbyn to say whether that's accurate or not, but assuming it is, what's wrong in that? I know lots of people who support a united Ireland, as far as I know that's not a criminal offence.

I'm for the abolition of the monarchy and the unelected House of Lords, is it acceptable to hold those opinions? I can't keep up.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I don't know enough about Corbyn to say whether that's accurate or not, but assuming it is, what's wrong in that? I know lots of people who support a united Ireland, as far as I know that's not a criminal offence.

I'm for the abolition of the monarchy and the unelected House of Lords, is it acceptable to hold those opinions? I can't keep up.

Are you all for assassination attempts on the queen and other members of the royal family? Presumably you approved of Mountbatten being kllled?

Being for a united Ireland and supporting the IRA are not quite the same thing, are they.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I don't know enough about Corbyn to say whether that's accurate or not, but assuming it is, what's wrong in that? I know lots of people who support a united Ireland, as far as I know that's not a criminal offence.

I'm for the abolition of the monarchy and the unelected House of Lords, is it acceptable to hold those opinions? I can't keep up.

I'm afraid you have (deliberately?) missed the point. Corbyn was and is, an IRA supporter, a united Ireland for him,
meant IRA victory, not dialogue with all sides bringing it about, the IRA obtaining it by mayhem and murder.