General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%

  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%
  • Total voters
    656
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So, we have Thatcher MkII, an IRA supporter and a homophobic, anti-abortionist to choose from to lead our country.

I'm thinking a spoiled ballot paper might be the sensible choice.
 
TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
So, we have Thatcher MkII, an IRA supporter and a homophobic, anti-abortionist to choose from to lead our country.

I'm thinking a spoiled ballot paper might be the sensible choice.
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I've been thinking the very same. "None of the above" would probably win this election.

EDIT: Not that this dimwit May has even 1% of Thatcher's ability mind you.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I've been thinking the very same. "None of the above" would probably win this election.

EDIT: Not that this dimwit May has even 1% of Thatcher's ability mind you.
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I'd pretty much decided to vote Tory for the first time in my life when the election was called, but their manifesto launch was just her with a plain Tory blue background which echoed Thatcher conferences of yesteryear, and it knocked me sick. I just can't betray my younger self.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Is it possible to support a united Ireland and still be one of your English patriots?

Can I assume you're giving the nod to the Welsh and the Scots to be whatever they like?
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Sorry - you always seem to post distractions – seemingly due to a lack of anything of substance to post.

But some topics are beyond your silly attempts at distraction

United Ireland?? I can see several ways that could come about in the future – through the choice and actions of the people that live there within a democratic process.

The IRA were callous murdering thugs operating a campaign of terror – Corbyn deserves nothing but contempt IMO for the support he clearly had/has for them – demonstrated by his actions then and (lack of) words now.

Frankly, IMO you also deserve a level of contempt, by the shallow manner in which you equate the IRA’s actions at the height of the troubles to how things could evolve in Wales and Scotland – as well as a united Ireland.

Arlene Foster said it more eloquently this morning:

"It is hard to take seriously the democratic credentials of a man who was so close to the political representatives of the IRA at the height of the Troubles.

"It is hard to see much good coming for the Labour Party from the coming election except the replacement of their leader."
 
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mcfc1632 said:
Corbyn explicitly refused to condemn the IRA - trying to hide in - "...I condemn all forms of violence.." simply does not wash with the vast majority of UK citizens
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I know this might upset people but........
I refuse to condemn Isis. I don't agree with what they do but I can understand why they do it. If someone dropped a bomb on your house or murdered and ridiculed your leader or raped your great grandmother would you not want someone held accountable?

While 2 wrongs don't make a right, it's very difficult to point the finger. The only difference between the IRA and ISIS is that one was over 200 years ago and the English have had plenty of time to apologise for what they did as a government.

People should look a lot closer to home and how we have treated people over time and history. No wonder everyone fucking hates us!
 
Ricster said:
I know this might upset people but........
I refuse to condemn Isis. I don't agree with what they do but I can understand why they do it. If someone dropped a bomb on your house or murdered and ridiculed your leader or raped your great grandmother would you not want someone held accountable?

While 2 wrongs don't make a right, it's very difficult to point the finger. The only difference between the IRA and ISIS is that one was over 200 years ago and the English have had plenty of time to apologise for what they did as a government.

People should look a lot closer to home and how we have treated people over time and history. No wonder everyone fucking hates us!
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If there are many with the same attitude I feel sure Corbyn will absolutely walk the election.
May has no chance when this spreads.
 
Ricster said:
I know this might upset people but........
I refuse to condemn Isis. I don't agree with what they do but I can understand why they do it. If someone dropped a bomb on your house or murdered and ridiculed your leader or raped your great grandmother would you not want someone held accountable?

While 2 wrongs don't make a right, it's very difficult to point the finger. The only difference between the IRA and ISIS is that one was over 200 years ago and the English have had plenty of time to apologise for what they did as a government.

People should look a lot closer to home and how we have treated people over time and history. No wonder everyone fucking hates us!
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You should link up with fumble to form some specialist distraction club.

We are speaking about the specific actions of an English citizen in support of the IRA during the height of the troubles thru to this day
 
mcfc1632 said:
You should link up with fumble to form some specialist distraction club.

We are speaking about the specific actions of an English citizen in support of the IRA during the height of the troubles thru to this day
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Which means you have to go back through history and work out why he or she has that opinion.
Can you sympathise with what happened?
Would you want that to happen to any of your family?
Can you understand why people seek revenge?
Do I agree with what the IRA did? Definitely not, but some people can and its a human trait.

Actually booted an IRA sympathiser out of my house 2 weeks ago. Not because she was a sympathiser but because of the lies she was spreading able it them never harming innocent people and always giving warnings.
Can I understand why she is a sympathiser? 100%
Do I agree with her lies and propaganda? Fuck no!
 
May seems to have been unnerved by the fallout over the proposed changes to self employed NIC's. It seems that she would be happy to reduce her majority from 150 to 75 if it means that she frees herself from all of Cameron's previous manifesto commitments.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
If there are many with the same attitude I feel sure Corbyn will absolutely walk the election.
May has no chance when this spreads.
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Lol.

Just trying to give a different view point.
It will be the Libyans after us next after what we did or the part we played 6 years ago. To think genital mutilation is actually happening in that country because of our government and the US is simply disgusting and then the way these nations have washed their hands is even worse.
 
The perfect fumble said:
I don't know enough about Corbyn to say whether that's accurate or not, but assuming it is, what's wrong in that? I know lots of people who support a united Ireland, as far as I know that's not a criminal offence.

I'm for the abolition of the monarchy and the unelected House of Lords, is it acceptable to hold those opinions? I can't keep up.
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Whether there is support or not is not the point, I'm sure there are many in this country who would not care a jot if we just gave the Falklands and Gibraltar to their respective neighbouring countries. As for Ireland well Ireland has no right to determine the future of Northern Ireland, whether that is by means of terrorism or not, it is completely irrelevant.

The point in all of this is we should be asking if Northern Ireland wants to remain a part of us and they do overwhelmingly which suggests we should defend their right to choose. The IRA sought to take away the right of those people to make a self determination by means of violence, we went to war with Argentina over the exact same thing and we would do so with Spain too over Gibraltar if it came to it.

Those who support a United Ireland or the IRA or anyone of that faction is directly opposing the rights of your fellow countrymen, rights people have died to protect. Corbyns failure to outright condemn the IRA shows that he is quite simply unwilling to defend the rights of the people he would be charged with protecting.

He has only shown that if this country was attacked he would not retaliate albeit because he is not willing to use violence to protect us from threats.
 
sir baconface said:
This. A pale wannabe but the point stands about the choice of candidates.
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Indeed. It's also Hobson's choice about the policies though. Putting personalities to one side, I can't say I like either manifesto. The Labour one looks like a 17 year old, wet behind the ears idealist from the 1970s wrote it. It's so ridiculous we can dismiss it out of hand.

But the Tory manifesto has all this lefty interventionist meddling nonsense in it, like meddling with the energy prices and workers representatives on board of companies. And fiscally irresponsible spending and watered-down deficit reduction plans. Combined with an almost fascist policy on elderly care costs. It's a very confused mix.
 
cibaman said:
May seems to have been unnerved by the fallout over the proposed changes to self employed NIC's. It seems that she would be happy to reduce her majority from 150 to 75 if it means that she frees herself from all of Cameron's previous manifesto commitments.
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She's certainly going about it the right way then.
 
Ricster said:
Which means you have to go back through history and work out why he or she has that opinion.
Can you sympathise with what happened?
Would you want that to happen to any of your family?
Can you understand why people seek revenge?
Do I agree with what the IRA did? Definitely not, but some people can and its a human trait.

Actually booted an IRA sympathiser out of my house 2 weeks ago. Not because she was a sympathiser but because of the lies she was spreading able it them never harming innocent people and always giving warnings.
Can I understand why she is a sympathiser? 100%
Do I agree with her lies and propaganda? Fuck no!
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If I have understood the flow of this post correctly then we are saying essentially the same, or at least similar, things

I got called a RWNJ for saying:

"I would have had more respect if he had the balls to simply state his active support for the IRA....."

Your are saying:

"Which means you have to go back through history and work out why he or she has that opinion....."

Which, I am reading to mean recognition that, notionally, there can be reasons, if you go back in history, to explain Corbyn's support for the IRA.

I can accept that, but what he is doing now is dissembling - if there is a valid reason in his history for him to actively support the IRA then he should explain that if he is hoping to earn the trust and respect of the voting public - all this prevarication demonstrates that he is not the man of principle he has been portrayed to be
 
inbetween said:
Whether there is support or not is not the point, I'm sure there are many in this country who would not care a jot if we just gave the Falklands and Gibraltar to their respective neighbouring countries. As for Ireland well Ireland has no right to determine the future of Northern Ireland, whether that is by means of terrorism or not, it is completely irrelevant.

The point in all of this is we should be asking if Northern Ireland wants to remain a part of us and they do overwhelmingly which suggests we should defend their right to choose. The IRA sought to take away the right of those people to make a self determination by means of violence, we went to war with Argentina over the exact same thing and we would do so with Spain too over Gibraltar if it came to it.

Those who support a United Ireland or the IRA or anyone of that faction is directly opposing the rights of your fellow countrymen, rights people have died to protect. Corbyns failure to outright condemn the IRA shows that he is quite simply unwilling to defend the rights of the people he would be charged with protecting.

He has only shown that if this country was attacked he would not retaliate albeit because he is not willing to use violence to protect us from threats.
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Hold on, which way is it? Is he a terrorist advocate who supports violent organisations or is he a man who wants peace and will do everything he can to not go to war? This is where the waters get muddy with the IRA links and the type of person he is.

And remember in the late 60's the catholics in Northern Ireland weren't fighting only for nationalisation but for civil rights, social justice and to end the sectarian discrimination against them. In that sense there are many people that sympathise with their position at that time but that doesn't mean they support the actions of the IRA in the following years.

I suppose those that are against Corbyn because of his stance (whatever that is) on the IRA also have the same view on the British Army and the Government? After all, they themselves have indiscriminately killed innocent people in Northern Ireland. Are they terrorists?
 
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