General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%

  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%
  • Total voters
    656
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SWP's back said:
Given your political bent I will assume that was under Thatcher?
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My daughter, who's the younger one, was born just as Thatcher was resigning so it would have been under both Major and Blair. It was a slightly different scenario as it was a Jewish school and the DofE wouldn't fund parts of the curriculum or pay for security. Noe schools here are asking for contributions as they can't afford the basics, including teachers.

And I'll be straight with you here, as you'd expect from me. I don't have a "political bent" and have never voted consistently for one party. I've voted for the one that I thought offered the best choice at the time or even just the one who had the best candidate in my ward or constituency. So I've voted for all 3 major parties in my time, including the last 10 years. In 2010 I voted Conservative because of both the local candidate and I didn't want Brown to continue as PM. In 2015 I was completely undecided up to the last minute but I voted Labour as, once again, their candidate I thought was the better one to represent the constituency (plus I knew his late mum & his wife very well and both his boys had been through my cub pack). I also felt, as you will see on here, that the policy of austerity had been a poor one and that Labour possibly offered a little more. But I wasn't overly convinced.

When May announced this election I thought she'd made a mistake in doing that but was broadly supportive of her at that time. I also thought Corbyn was a clown who couldn't get his message over very well. But this campaign has turned my thinking on its head. She's been the clown and has been a disaster whereas Corbyn has come across fantastically. Even my Telegraph-reading, Tory-voting brother said so when I saw him yesterday. I'm also genuinely enthused by their manifesto whereas the Tories have (in my view) nothing very exciting to offer. So that's my "political bent".
 
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I was quite amazed by my mate when he rang me today. He's a hard guy to position, politically. I suppose you might say 'moderate Labour' but he's been quite supportive of a lot of the stuff the Tories have done, and it wouldn't have surprised me if he'd decided to vote Tory this time.

He said that he agreed with everything Corbyn said (about foreign policy and terrorism) and that it was 'common sense'.

You could have knocked me down with a feather. This election looked like a formality - I think it has now turned 'interesting'.
 
It's probably been the worst Tory campaign in history to be honest but the though of Corbyn as PM has made me rethink my position on Swiss citizenship which until now I have staunchly refused to entertain.

The labour manifesto is just a fantasy wish list which is completely unaffordable and he's an IRA sympathiser no matter how much he lies about it. Diane Abbott shouldn't be anywhere near government and John McDonnell can honour the fucking IRA by blowing himself up as far as I'm concerned.

Both my kids are voting and were both leaning towards Tory but are both now wondering what to do with their vote and frankly I've advised them to vote for none of the above.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
Correct, and by that measure I spent most of my youth in poverty. Which is a nonsense.
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Same mate.

Poverty in the country I reside in would literally mean not being able to own a yacht.

Luckily I've dug myself out of it.
 
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BigJoe#1 said:
Different measures maybe? Don't know how old you are but back in time it was more about going to Butlins or Blackpool or down here to Porthcawl for the miners fortnight.... for many couldn't.
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Most of my summer holidays were spend riding my bike or playing cricket in the park. I did go on ATC camp a couple of times. Closest thing to a "family holiday" we had. People moaning about poverty these days use the statistics incorrectly to try to paint a picture of Dickensian squaller which is just not the case.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
It's probably been the worst Tory campaign in history to be honest but the though of Corbyn as PM has made me rethink my position on Swiss citizenship which until now I have staunchly refused to entertain.

The labour manifesto is just a fantasy wish list which is completely unaffordable and he's an IRA sympathiser no matter how much he lies about it. Diane Abbott shouldn't be anywhere near government and John McDonnell can honour the fucking IRA by blowing himself up as far as I'm concerned.

Both my kids are voting and were both leaning towards Tory but are both now wondering what to do with their vote and frankly I've advised them to vote for none of the above.
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Gelsons Dad said:
Most of my summer holidays were spend riding my bike or playing cricket in the park. I did go on ATC camp a couple of times. Closest thing to a "family holiday" we had. People moaning about poverty these days use the statistics incorrectly to try to paint a picture of Dickensian squaller which is just not the case.
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Relative poverty is a nonsense but it does give the left something to moan about. That and the nurses using food banks and giving patients head to pay the leccy.

Only teachers have a bigger hard luck story with their 168 hour week which means they get paid less than the minimum wage.

Let's face it with these Chad like living standards no wonder these lost souls may forgive a terrorist supporter
 
BJL_City said:
An absolutely ludicrous point of view. Everyone would have to have the same income in your world view to avoid poverty, utterly ludicrous.
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Relative poverty takes the median household income of a nation then defines "at risk from poverty" at 60% of that. Because poverty is in itself relative to other people - if everybody in the world has 0 potato and you have 1 potato then you are King of the Potato People. To give a more pointed example, how does inflation work in your idea of absolute poverty?

Defining poverty by some global and absolute limit is helpful data in some circumstances but not helpful when we're talking about what poverty actually is in the UK.
 
SWP's back said:
Same mate.

Poverty in the country I reside in would literally mean not being able to own a yacht.

Luckily I've dug myself out of it.
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Relative poverty in the UAE is equivalent to £500 a month total household income.

You're not just wrong on this but you're making the type of wrong posts that a man like you shouldn't be making.
 
Damocles said:
Unlike all those other terms in science that aren't made up, presumably.
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Foolish boy every word was made up at some point. The mistake in this phrase is using the word poverty within it as the word has connotations that won't be disregarded.

Walk round Gorton and ask people their opinions on the growing gap between rich and poor and they will answer quite happily, you may even get a free cuppa. Ask them how they feel living in relative poverty and you would soon be picking up your teeth.

The way it has been used in this thread shows it isn't a great term but that won't stop a couple of lefties trying to make a political point out of it.
 
swp - I like the 'luckily' part.. shows understanding.
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Winners create losers, so in that part of the game it's relative. Absolute/relative.. lots of confusion around those two.. If poverty has a threshold for basic needs.. food, roof, bed, what have you, a comfortable enough life, then it's easily point-at-able. If we want to use the word to show the disparity between the haves and have nots, then you move into hazy territory.
 
hilts said:
Foolish boy every word was made up at some point. The mistake in this phrase is using the word poverty within it as the word has connotations that won't be disregarded.

Walk round Gorton and ask people their opinions on the growing gap between rich and poor and they will answer quite happily, you may even get a free cuppa. Ask them how they feel living in relative poverty and you would soon be picking up your teeth.

The way it has been used in this thread shows it isn't a great term but that won't stop a couple of lefties trying to make a political point out of it.
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Spot on, the right don't make political points with it, they simply ignore it, and if you do hold their feet to fire, they argue about the terms of reference in order to belittle it, not unlike you're doing now.
 
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