dronefromsector7G
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I would say Roma too
Explosion at MEN Arena/Victoria Station
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Hamann Pineapple
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They look like blokes to me, are you sure it's not staged
People saying it's an old video and it's Roma Gypsies, not Muslims.
Still shocking to see and I hope that scally **** was arrested.
vonkeynotvenky
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Who is to know nowadays mate you could be as right in your observation as I am.
vonkeynotvenky
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Noticed this today and what a brilliant turnout, fair play to those who attended and it does show that it affects all decent people whoever you are.
kaz7
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Thread level dropped back to severe and troops off the streets from monday evening
SilverFox2
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I agree because if we are to believe this justification on link below the media are the ones who decide the level of secrecy needed.
As you say or at least imply tell them nothing because they are irresponsible when it comes to a scoop versus national security (or probably any other subject for that matter).
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-40067421/manchester-attack-editor-defends-publishing-leaked-photos
Prestwich_Blue
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You really are a piece of work aren't you. It's already been reported that a number of his fellow Muslims expressed concerns about Abedi to the authorities.
Prestwich_Blue
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I think this thread is still at critical level Karen.
kaz7
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This thread has been hard going for a number of reasons
Prestwich_Blue
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Oh wow. This is incendiary. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/27/libya-fallout-theresa-may-failed-terror
And it links to another article: http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/s...sent-british-libyans-fight-gaddafi-1219906488
It's been reported that many of his associates fought with the anti-Gaddafi LIFG. So Was Salman Abedi one of those people that MI5, with the approval of Theresa May, helped to travel to Libya to fight? If so that would be a game changer.
And it links to another article: http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/s...sent-british-libyans-fight-gaddafi-1219906488
It's been reported that many of his associates fought with the anti-Gaddafi LIFG. So Was Salman Abedi one of those people that MI5, with the approval of Theresa May, helped to travel to Libya to fight? If so that would be a game changer.
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I have only got Nuttall left to vote for if this is the case. Voting for the stuttering old idealist is out of the question, voting Tory was unpalatable at best but was going to pinch my nose and go for it. If this story develops and has some bones on it then the politically inept squabble fest that is ukip will have my vote. We're in a right state.
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Went to Town today - signed the book of condolence and placed some flowers in Saints Annes Square. Very moving. Just been to the The Trafford Centre also and have never ever seen it so quiet. Clearly some people still a bit nervous.
Machiavelli
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Another confusing case of our policy to support less than savoury characters, in their fight against somebody we didn't like-in this case Gaddafi and his regime. You do wonder where the £12b unfrozen Libyan assets went and what that money ended up funding? I seem to recall the CIA finding some documents in Tripoli after Gaddafi had been toppled, the documents confirmed the UK government were complicit in a 'rendition to torture' in cahoots with Gaddafi himself! I'm sure the UK government would've preferred for that cache of embarrassing documents to be buried with Gaddafi.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/sep/04/libyan-papers-show-uk-rendition
On Sunday, one of the victims, Abdul Hakim Belhaj – now commander of the anti-Gaddafi militia in Tripoli – demanded an apology from London and Washington and said he was considering suing over his rendition to Tripoli and subsequent torture.
This is from Liverpool fan site, The Anfield Wrap. Is a few days old but only just seen it
https://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2017...eartbreaking-arena-attack-matters-merseyside/
https://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2017...eartbreaking-arena-attack-matters-merseyside/
SOMETIMES the bullshit you wrap yourself up in over football is laid bare for what it really is.
This is one of those times. It doesn’t matter. It isn’t important. Not really. Not now.
I love Liverpool, and I love Liverpool Football Club.
But I love my children more.
I’ve been the first to say Liverpool, and Liverpool FC, should strive to outdo Manchester and Manchester’s football clubs in every way possible. When football feels relevant again, I’ll no doubt say it again.
We’re rivals — as cities, in football, in music, in fashion, style, economically; take your pick.
When two cities so close consistently produce so much talent of every kind; sporting-wise, artistically, musically — allied to a cocksure attitude that is a characteristic of both conurbations — striving for one-upmanship is human nature. It’s inevitable. In some ways healthy and enjoyable. In many other ways, not so.
We’re this tribe and that is theirs. Ours is better, and they say the same.
So close, so similar. Northern. Proud. Hard-working. Tight communities. Tough. Normal people. Good people. Cities with problems, yet cities with so much to celebrate, past and present.
As with any rivalry, some will take it to extremes. I’ve written before about the Munich, Heysel and Hillsborough tragedy tennis that has shamed many a meeting between Liverpool and Manchester United, and how thoroughly depressing all that is. Human tragedies and those affected by them all forgotten to score points at a football match. And for what?
What happened at the MEN Arena on Monday night just underlined the irrelevance and stupidity of it all. There’s a line. And it feels like too many too often cross it. The endless whataboutery from those that perpetuate it on both sides achieves nothing. Because we’re all the same — football fans, obsessed with our clubs, passionate about our teams. And people. Just people.
As the news that was so difficult to comprehend filtered though that a deranged mass murderer had targeted a pop concert packed — in the main — with young, vulnerable girls, that it was in Manchester mattered none.
It’s the human tragedy, the mindless murdering and maiming of so many so young, that slaps you in the face and makes you sick to the stomach, not where they are from.
Those poor parents, in such a normal, everyday situation, taken in an instant from a time that should have been one of smiles, laughter and an early life experience for their little loved ones to cherish, to the darkest of holes. A living hell. A nightmare it is impossible to dream. How can a ticket for a special treat lead to the cruellest of deaths? How can you accept that? How can you take that in?
How many parents across the world looked at their children today with tears in their eyes and counted themselves lucky? I know I did. My daughter is seven. Arianda Grande is part of her culture. It’s not hard to join the dots in the most horrific of ways. That involuntary imagining is upsetting enough. The reality is impossible to comprehend. It’s a numbing, horrific, inhuman crime. How? Why? What for?
The details are desperately sad. There will be more to come. And you know there is much worse that only those on the ground who have lived to tell the tale can truly ever know. They will replay it forever more — it will be a moment and a date permanently etched in minds for a lifetime.
Young lives over before they have begun. Yet more changed for the worst. Ordinary families ripped apart for no good reason. Many more facing the torment that a shock such as this will inevitably bring for survivors.
Football seems an absolute irrelevance. Manchester United’s press conference was cancelled ahead of the Europa League Final and frankly who can blame anyone at the club for taking that decision? What should be a party in Stockholm is now anything but.
A draining, despicable act occurred in the community they represent. Fans affected, players affected, club staff affected. No doubt in every sense of the word. And yet still some in the media saw fit to publicly question the decision. Sometimes it’s better to say nothing.
For such a supposed deep rivalry lines between Liverpool and Manchester have been blurred more and more. A Scouser in Wayne Rooney has captained Manchester United. He is a hero there. Phil Neville represented Everton. Paul Ince represented Liverpool. Jamie Carragher and Gary Neville clearly good friends as well as colleagues.
Trains, buses and cars take workers from both cities in both directions every day. Relationships and friendships have been forged with plenty living in the ‘wrong’ city or somewhere in between.
I worked in the city for a long time. I passed that Arena so many times, going to work and coming from work, every working day for years. And like so many from this region and beyond I’ve been to it many times, for concerts and events. The bombing happened in Manchester but it has affected people all over the country.
No one with a heart can have failed to have been hurt by the atrocity that unfolded on steps and streets so many of us have walked.
Could it have been us? Our families? Our kids?
So easily.
As usual, the minority of extremists are in evidence. Using a tragedy to push political statements and baffling conspiracy theories while distraught parents still search for definitive news about their children. Professional trolls are also doing their bit to steer emotions in the wrong direction. They are irrelevant.
There’s understandable anger. Understandable sadness. And for many an understandable frustration at not being able to somehow help, or make a difference.
‘Hating’ Manchester has never sounded so absurd. And that there is so much love from all around is at least one bright spot in the darkest of times.
The Merseyside taxi drivers that headed for the area of the bombing without second thought to help ferry people home did so to help fellow human beings in need. The people in Liverpool that have paid their respects to a city 35 miles away have done so because it’s a shocking human tragedy so close to home; one with very few degrees of separation.
In the aftermath everyone seems to know someone. Mums and daughters who went to share a great night together. Sisters who went for a dance and a sing. Out of place dads putting quality time with a daughter ahead of any notion of cool.
All of those ‘rules’ we tie ourselves up in; all of those prejudices and judgements built on nothing more than geographical distance and sporting rivalry.
Bullshit.
We’re all humans. All so different, all so the same. It’s all so random that it was ‘them’. It just so randomly could have been ‘us’.
Rest in peace. Stay strong, Manchester.
If you’re in a position to help: https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/westandtogethermanchester
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There are many other reasons why they were arrested so swiftly and it's not because they were known
It's the work done since the explosion
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Thanks for sharing, that's an excellent post.
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We were tasked to go into Manchester City centre yesterday to reassure people with the fire engine, I noted it was quieter although the armed police next to us as had no idea one was from Scotland the other from Sellafield. I must admit the anger over not been allowed to attend on Monday night was eased slightly by the quite wonderful general public, many coming up to us and thanking us even though they knew our senior managers wouldn't let us go until 2 hours after. To have people give us food and drink was quite humbling, there were many people from different walks of life and parts of the country taking flowers to St Anne's square.
I'd like to mention one person in particular he was from Newton Le Willows, he brought his son who was 12 to shake our hand the young boy was visibly upset however it was when his dad spoke to me, his voice was breaking as he thanked us and said it was such a tragedy but you could see he was trying to hold it back as not to upset his son we sort of shared a moment and he left, will stay with me for a long time.
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Fair play to you mate. I didn't know you were not allowed in? How come you weren't and ambulance and police were?
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You tell me ask our chief, oh wait you can't he's gone on holiday and they've recalled his deputy from his holiday, Andy Burnham has called for an inquiry the lads are fuming.