General Election June 8th

[Peggy's a blue]

yes, it is quite amazing with Brexit, terrorism, the aging population problem, the NHS, zero hour contracts, the gig economy, the rent / homer owner balance, the homeless and all the other issues under discussion, some tit in the government though bringing back Fox hunting was an important vote winner. Sadly, there will be some bellends that vote for them.

Exactly the same I thought when Blair put it in is manifesto

 

[Peggy's a blue]

The word you're accusing him him of misspelling has a silent 'p' at the beginning, not a hard 'f' as you have proposed in your spelling.

Hence, I shall let you figure out whom spelt what correctly.

Spell checker might be a good idea to embellish your 'battle'.

Anyway, carry on as you were.

There's a good chap...

WTF do you mean? It was a total incorrect spelling

 

[KenTheLandlord]

And what's your point with the name change?

We're talking about here and now and Corbyn has said he's against tackling IS abroad and is "uneasy" about police shooting dead people carrying out terrorist attacks. That's far worse than what's being proposed. He, as well as that clown Abbott, also have IRA links to their past, however that's not my point and wasn't in the post you've quoted.

That's a ridiculously cheap point to make as they're not on the list due to diplomatic processes that are now taking place between the US, Afghan government and the Taliban. Whilst they do commit terrorist acts, Washington believes it'd be detrimental to peace negotiations and we've supported that.

Libyans were "wandering around"? Well put them in jail then, why should they be walking? The bomber was from fucking Manchester and hadn't committed a crime previously. They are constantly stopping terror attacks and have done far better than our nearest neighbours. It's a difficult game when you're monitoring 3,000 people at anyone time whilst adhering, correctly too, to basic civil rights. You cannot throw criminals in jail before you've got evidence of the crime.

The difference between me and you is that you're blinkered and can't see past your political team. You vote red whatever the case and the Tories will always be scum to you, no matter what they do. Whereas I've voted both Labour and Tory.

Of all the posts on here, that is a cracker.

The point with the name change, is keep up, at least have the latest info available, you know, in the here and now.

We are talking about the here and now except when talking about Corbyn and Abbott who both, according to you now have links with the IRA in their past however that is not your point. Your point being?

Ah, terrorism is now ok if it is part of a diplomatic process although Corbyn talking to a democratically elected British MP 30 years ago is heresy.

To think, if we had the people, resources and support to be able to do the job even better, however cutting 1000s of jobs and £££££s is considered efficient by DisMay and her mates. Utterly unbelievable.

The difference between me and you is that i will and find out the latest info, you can vote for 15 different parties and still have a tenuous grip.
As it happens, i have voted for other parties and have criticised Labour when needed. Even done it on here a few pages back. However yes you are right, i would never vote tory.

 

[CitizenTID]

I haven't looked into the depths of these alleged Corbyn IRA links (if anyone can provide me with example of what he shouldn't have done with a source I'd appreciate it) but if he reached out to them to try and bring about a solution and peace he should be applauded and the treatment he's getting for it is scandalous. Did these same papers attack Colin Parry for reaching out to them? The IRA were embroiled in bitterness which can happen to anyone in such a situation after each side going further in revenge on the other each time so "cosying up to them" somewhat is a necessary tactic to bring such people's willingness to comprise back about.

The ability to put aside bitterness and open dialogue (with those who will reciprocate) is a valuable quality in a person and in my mind the sign of a forward thinking leader, not a bitter child like those who would criticise someone for it. Bear it in mind alongside the quotation "an eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind."

 

[Peggy's a blue]

Can I just go on record as saying, I am not at Tory Labour Liberal voter, I hate them all. I remember Billy Connolly saying don't vote ir encourages the bastards still hold that view.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Brexit isn't a minus it's a plus and people who vote Tory are not bellends, they are people left without an opposition to vote for and that's Labours fault because it's their job to win votes by convincing voters to vote for them.

I have not put plusses or minuses on anything, just listed a number of issues that are clearly more important than fox hunting. As for the bellend comment it was unsurprisingly the fox hunters i was talking about on a fox hunting post.

 

[Bigga]

WTF do you mean? It was a total incorrect spelling

If you haven't got spell checker, type it into Google... it's a spell checker too!

Happy to help.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

I have not put plusses or minuses on anything, just listed a number of issues that are clearly more important than fox hunting. As for the bellend comment it was unsurprisingly the fox hunters i was talking about on a fox hunting post.

You posted the list as a negative there wasn't any you considered a plus there that I missed was there? I personally understand your hatred of the Tories as a voter who has always voted Labour apart from last time when I voted ukip because of Brexit. I honestly wish labour would give me an alternative considering ukip in my mind is defunkt.
Do you see any negatives with Labours leadership shadow cabinet? Without comparing them to a Tory equivalent.

 

[Peggy's a blue]

If you haven't got spell checker, type it into Google... it's a spell checker too!

Happy to help.

Thank you but I was called a psychopath hmm not sure this is correct on many levels haha

 

[mcfc1632]

Nope. John Major.

That is true - but it was Brown that moved the use of PFI to a wholly different level. He essentially mandated its use, irrespective of whether there were alternative (better) financing options available.

 

[mcfc1632]

My other half was a HR Manager in NHS for twent years, and he says Labour fucked things up with the GP contracts, removing weekends and the on call facility. Like I said I don't give a fuck for tories but don't anybody tell me labour are any better!

I had direct involvement in that process - your other half was entirely correct

 

[KenTheLandlord]

You posted the list as a negative there wasn't any you considered a plus there that I missed was there? I personally understand your hatred of the Tories as a voter who has always voted Labour apart from last time when I voted ukip because of Brexit. I honestly wish labour would give me an alternative considering ukip in my mind is defunkt.
Do you see any negatives with Labours leadership shadow cabinet? Without comparing them to a Tory equivalent.

No, i posted the list as a small number of the hundreds of more important issues than fox hunting, which is a complete irrelevance.
Labour is offering an alternative, read the manifesto, it gives a huge difference for people.
There is always room for improvement in everything, be it whatever the subject.

 

[Bigga]

Thank you but I was called a psychopath hmm not sure this is correct on many levels haha

Well, look at that!

Google was your actual friend...

 

[mcfc1632]

Yes but that's not what you said.

You can't say "Chelsea won the cup final" then when I say back "Nope. Arsenal did", then go back and say "well Chelsea won it in 2012 end of"

But you can say that with regard PFI - it was introduced by Major in a manner such that it was an option available whereas under Blair - well Brown really, it became the only option 'allowed' to be considered if the Treasury could confirm that the initiative would be treated as off-balance sheet

So back to the football analogy - a bit like the advent of the Premier League - where the SKY money led to all sorts of changes in the manner in which things were run. Major might have taken part in a certain type of competition - but even though it had the same name (PFI) Brown elevated it to an entirely different level

 

[mcfc1632]

Look, you are obviously some form of Labour are great tories are shit some sort of guy. I am neither I hate politicians, fact is labour enhanced PFI did not stop it these are facts. You can stick your dogmatic head up your arse as far as it fits, but you can't change facts.

This is how it works - there are a fair number on her that are, IMO, unable to 'allow' fair points to be raised where those points do not sit well with their blinkered views.

They quickly act to distract from the actual context of the point by labouring on semantics

TBF I think that you will find that Damocles is not of that ilk - I do not have a great deal of experience, but think that he just enjoys quality debate and is frustrated that so much posted on here - form both (all) sides - is not derived from quality analysis

Others though will just try and drown out valid discussion

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

But you can say that with regard PFI - it was introduced by Major in a manner such that it was an option available whereas under Blair - well Brown really, it became the only option 'allowed' to be considered if the Treasury could confirm that the initiative would be treated as off-balance sheet

So back to the football analogy - a bit like the advent of the Premier League - where the SKY money led to all sorts of changes in the manner in which things were run. Major might have taken part in a certain type of competition - but even though it had the same name (PFI) Brown elevated it to an entirely different level

And yet, when it was patently more expensive to carry on with PFI, a fact Osborne acknowledged in 2009 (as did Clegg in 2010), by 2011 he had green lighted another 61 PFI schemes costing £6.9B. I think he might have rebadged it PFI 2 in 2013 in an attempt to pretend it was something else.
Mind you, Teresa May thought Osborne was out of order by letting the Chinese get involved with building Hinckley Point nuclear power station, so much so she publicly said so. She then takes over as PM, says she wants to look at the deal all over again (I actually thought she might do the right thing) then she just says, yes it's fine let the Chinese build one of the most sensitive structures on UK soil. The whole lot of them (politicians) are duplicitous bastards.

 

[Ricster]

Nonsense labour introduced PFI under Blair!

Fake

 

[Ricster]

Nope. John Major.

I should read on haha

 

[Ricster]

You said introduced. OMG!

Enhanced and increased by Blair/Brown end of

 

[Ricster]

Ok going to read the rest before I reply again

Yes but that's not what you said.

You can't say "Chelsea won the cup final" then when I say back "Nope. Arsenal did", then go back and say "well Chelsea won it in 2012 end of"