General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%

  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%
  • Total voters
    656
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cibaman said:
I thought they made a mistake in trying to oust Corbyn, especially so soon after he became leader. But it would have been much worse if the senior posts in the shadow cabinet were occupied by people who fundamentally disagreed with their leader's policies.

I think the the current understanding where the moderates are maintaining a low profile is probably the best Labour could hope for. The election is being fought on the left's terms, its their manifesto. If Corbyn does reasonably well (increases Labour's share of the vote and keeps the tory majority below say 25 seats) he would be entitled to stay in the job, the moderates would be the ones with the decision to make. If the majority is over 100 the moderates could claim that the experiment has spectacularly failed.

At the moment I think Labour are heading for the worst possible outcome. A defeat that isn't bad enough for Corbyn to lose the leadership, but not good enough for the left to claim some sort of vindication.
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I tend to agree. The man is absolute poison and the sooner he is banished from British politics the better for all of us. There's a strong chance (imo likelihood) he will remain as leader if he is not thrashed in the election.
 
Hamann Pineapple said:
Did Corbyn not say yesterday small businesses would be subsidised in some way to accommodate these wage increases or am I imagining it ?
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He said small businesses would be subsidised to allow for the rise in Corporation Tax. At best this was disingenuous because although he says that Labour will reintroduce the small profits rate, what he failed to mention is that even with that in place, small businesses would still be paying more in Corporation Tax than under a Tory government.

I posted this yesterday...

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law74 said:
http://press.labour.org.uk/post/115103489714/labour-will-prioritise-tax-cuts-for-small-firms

http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...-election-manifesto-winners-and-losers-glance

http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/16/labou...y-policies-for-general-election-2017-6628153/

https://www.tax.org.uk/media-centre...on-2017-corporation-tax-and-income-tax-higher

Maybe you have been too busy reading the right wing propaganda to study the facts and missed this part of the fully costed Labour Manifesto
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You've proper fucked up here!

First link is to a policy announcement by Ed Balls :-D Apprently he's the Shadow Chancellor although (and again, I may have missed something here) I thought that nowadays he was a ballroom dancer.

Then you show a complete lack of understanding of the subject. Labour plan to reintroduce a small profits corporation tax rate. Which is nice. However, this will be set at 20% rising to 21% in 2020-21 which is higher than they pay now & is a damn sight higher than under Tory plans.

Take a look at this from the IFS...



Maybe you have been too busy reading The Guardian and The Socialist Worker to study the facts and you've missed the fact that the Labour Manifesto is nowhere near fully costed.
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jay_mcfc said:
That is a very one sided view of things, which is understandable considering your position. I have no idea what your business is, but would it not benefit from the extra cash that millions of people would have?
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What extra cash? Moving money from one pot to another pot, does not mean more money.
 
Hamann Pineapple said:
But surely if those businesses you sell to benefit then you would see increased business from them.
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The vast majority of them though (probably 90% of my clients) are also business to business.

My viewpoint (on this matter at least) may be seen as selfish to some but, if a large rise in the minimum wage & a rise in Corporation Tax affect me then it will also have an impact on many other small businesses, and lets not forget, it's the small/medium businesses in this country that drive the economy, it isn't your huge multi-nationals that do so.
 
I have said many times I am not into politics, but have opinions. Now correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Jeremy Corbyn the true face of the Labour Party and not a charlatan like Blair, lying to the public just to get elected?
 
cibaman said:
I thought they made a mistake in trying to oust Corbyn, especially so soon after he became leader. But it would have been much worse if the senior posts in the shadow cabinet were occupied by people who fundamentally disagreed with their leader's policies.

I think the the current understanding where the moderates are maintaining a low profile is probably the best Labour could hope for. The election is being fought on the left's terms, its their manifesto. If Corbyn does reasonably well (increases Labour's share of the vote and keeps the tory majority below say 25 seats) he would be entitled to stay in the job, the moderates would be the ones with the decision to make. If the majority is over 100 the moderates could claim that the experiment has spectacularly failed.

At the moment I think Labour are heading for the worst possible outcome. A defeat that isn't bad enough for Corbyn to lose the leadership, but not good enough for the left to claim some sort of vindication.
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I think the Conservatives will get 375+ seats and Labour will get around 200. May will have a 70+ majority which, given her complete lack of conviction on anything, is an astonishing state for British politics to be in. As for Jezza, I'm not wholly convinced he is as unelectable as is often suggested. He seems to be, more or less, a man of his word, who sticks to his beliefs (that seems to be portrayed as a bad thing), whilst May changes her mind more often than her pants! Where he has dropped a catastrophic bollock is having John McDonnell and Diane Abbott anywhere near the shadow cabinet.
 
Peggy's a blue said:
I have said many times I am not into politics, but have opinions. Now correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Jeremy Corbyn the true face of the Labour Party and not a charlatan like Blair, lying to the public just to get elected?
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As he got elected three times, it doesn't say much for the views of the public. Mind you, George and 'Call me Dave' said we were all in it together......
 
Chippy_boy said:
Funny, I got my definition from the Cambridge dictionary, under "Communism" ;-)

I know perfectly well what communism is, and I fully understand that committment to clause 4 does not in itself mean communism. But it shows where someone's head is at and there's plenty of evidence that he is further left than it would at first appear. His views on Russia, for example. His appointing Andrew Murray - a former leading member of the communist party and supporter of Russia, someone who's expressed "solidarity" with North Korea. And Corbyn wants him in his team. I can go on...
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Have you ever considered Norway to be a communist state?
 
jay_mcfc said:
You don't think people who have had a £2.50 per hour increase will have more cash?
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They will have £2.50 more than the person who has £2.50 less. How much more is that overall? Taking money off people, to give it to other people, is NOT wealth creation.
 
Peggy's a blue said:
I have said many times I am not into politics, but have opinions. Now correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Jeremy Corbyn the true face of the Labour Party and not a charlatan like Blair, lying to the public just to get elected?
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Who says Corbyn isn't lying to the public just to get elected?
 
Chippy_boy said:
Who says Corbyn isn't lying to the public just to get elected?
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At least you can't accuse May of lying. She's pro Brexit, pro remain, against the nasty party, for slashing benefits, pro tax cuts, wants NI rises, pro paying for social care, against paying for social care. A politician who flip-flops more than this woman I have not seen..
 
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