General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%

  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%
  • Total voters
    656
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Chippy_boy said:
Do you think it's possible he has simply chosen to keep quiet out of political expediency?

I'd like to think your mind is not so utterly closed as to rule this out.

What i find interesting is that us Tories seem prepared to call our leader a fucking idiot. But you Labour supporters on here seem incapable of criticizing your fucking idiot.
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Damocles said:
Honestly and some of [Corbyn's] policies are absurdly daft because he's trying to bend them around previous statements made in the 1980s and 1990s. He was just asked if he'd tell British nuclear sub Commanders to retaliate with nuclear weapons and he dodged it. If he would have said "I'd tell them that if the UK was attacked by a nation with nuclear weapons then to bomb them back to the Stone Age", he would have instantly won 5% of the vote and nobody could really criticise him because he'd still be consistent in saying that he'd never launch a first strike.

The people in charge of Labour's PR strategy are constantly misfiring on Corbyn and have been since he was originally elected.
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Damocles said:
Corbyn is strong when he gets the chance to talk about policy which is where his passion lies. He's a great activist politician, just not a great leading one. I've always liked the man and many of his policies, I just think they won't chime with the electorate or are a good idea but not thought through with care. And the Labour Party is in such disunity at the moment that I wouldn't trust them to renationalise the Parliament cleaners, let alone the £66bn water industry. Although if Corbyn did turn it round and win then it would be a seismic shift that nobody could fail to back - it could change British political landscape for generations. I'm just not confident that he can do that without appealing to the aspirational middle classes, and I don't see many aspirational middle class policies there.

There's a problem with his election strategy also. He seems to be visiting mostly echo chambers - Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool; they already are going to vote Labour. What he isn't doing is attacking marginals which can win him seats, which you'd imagine he'd want to be doing. There's a rumour in the Party that he's trying to up his popular vote numbers in order to show that his policies are popular which will give us either a post election Corbyn (doubtful) or a Corbyn ally (possible) as next leader. Energising current Labour voters to turnout at the polls rather than winning Labour any new voters.
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Damocles said:
In my view all this campaign is showing is how bad a leader Corbyn is.

All the polls pretty much say that people trust Labour to look after their families more than the Tories. People just like the manifesto more than the Tories. They are split on his defence strategy.

Yet he's still somewhere around 10 points behind. Every leadership poll puts him 20 or 30 points back.

This tells me that a proper centre left leader with a Blair level of charisma and political skill would have had a Thatcher like landslide here
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ballinio said:
I've found that a lot of Labour voters vote for them because their dad did & their dad did. Some actually believe that they are still the champions of the working class.
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Such a daft statement, complete bias, how can you say that about just the Labour party, when that is true of both parties.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Do you think it's possible he has simply chosen to keep quiet out of political expediency?

I'd like to think your mind is not so utterly closed as to rule this out.

What i find interesting is that us Tories seem prepared to call our leader a fucking idiot. But you Labour supporters on here seem incapable of criticizing your fucking idiot.
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I don't lay my bed in either camp, I take them all as options at any particular time I'm given a choice. This time Labour has swung me (before this TV debate) but I thought Corbyn failed to present himself as a common person of the country (as he has in other ways) which he could have capitalised on by answering questions directly (appears honest rather than impression hiding things). Giving him allowance to build a point of answer to complex questions with context rather than being dismissed without it, there were many questions he tried to swerve that didn't need that. Tonight, he came across as "just another politician" which with current public opinion, was his chance to offer the alternative of someone who cares to fix the problems.

By the way, there was a lot of questions presented to them like they should be rigid on all their policies, that is a recipe for disaster. Political stances should be malleable as opportunities arise, or situations change, or things become clear that weren't before. Just common sense; too many people with little attention span approach it all like primary colours - running a country isn't simple and you can't always give simple answers people seem to expect.
 
MCFC1993 said:
Such a daft statement, complete bias, how can you say that about just the Labour party, when that is true of both parties.
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Because I don't meet many conservatives & I don't think they think they're the champions of the working class .
 
Damocles said:
Yeah I basically said "nuh uh"
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I got it in the end. Mrs ww was explaining to me that dawn ward owes Wes brown half a million quid - got distracted.

On a serious point I wish we had a more centre ground party with an impressive leader.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Go on, say something bad about him. I dare you.
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I have in replies to others. Another was that he just didn't want to answer questions directly on important matters like the nuclear one. He avoided the responsibility of "why would your manifesto support nuclear renewal if you want disarmament" by saying it's what the party wanted and not giving anything away on what sort of letter he would write regarding that if he became PM. He didn't inspire confidence in certain matters like that - he should have explained with the current climate renewal is necessary to ensure we aren't technologically at a disadvantage which would mean defeat - disarmament can only be achieved with others co-operative and the tracks need to be laid for that.


Personally, I don't think disarmament is possible. It's easy for a country like Russia to hide some nukes nobody knows about and if they ever entered a foot conflict with anyone while nobody else has nukes, they win when they bring theirs out.
 
Although the banks have conducted themselves horrendously consistently as it brings out the worse in people who want to climb the career ladder within them, I think Corbyn is right not to nationalise them. It takes away options for the people in managing their money and under one authority the people would get screwed as they are increasingly squeezed. Competition is a necessity in this respect.
 
CitizenTID said:
Although the banks have conducted themselves horrendously consistently as it brings out the worse in people who want to climb the career ladder within them, I think Corbyn is right not to nationalise them. It takes away options for the people in managing their money and under one authority the people would get screwed as they are increasingly squeezed. Competition is a necessity in this respect.
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Making the Bank of England independent was one of the best moves Labour ever made and spurred this country onto previously undreamt of wealth.

Nationalising banks would the stupidest of all stupid ideas. We did so previously because we thought it better than millions of people not having a house any more and it has fecked our national debt.

If anything, encouraging community Credit Unions to ensure fairer banking and giving consumers the choice on where they bank is by far the most sensible policy. We live in a capitalist society; one that has given us riches beyond the wildest dreams of people 200 years ago. Much of that is down to the banking sector and their wealth creation abilities. Nationalising them is tongue sticky out bonkers. Like nationalising hedges, declaring milkshakes illegal or voting for the English Democrats.
 
ballinio said:
I've found that a lot of Labour voters vote for them because their dad did & their dad did. Some actually believe that they are still the champions of the working class.
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Does that mean you and your dad voted Tory? because if your dad voted labour you also would be voting Labour I guess.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Really? Two years from now a candidate for M'cr Central council seat jokes - " been a good day - no bombs at the MEN Arena so far" - that would b e funny too?
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No because that would be a deliberate thing to say. If you watch it was just a forgetful comment using a common phrasing.
 
1.618034 said:
When you say "poor woman" I'm guessing you mean Jo Cox...
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No, I meant the woman who gleefully was talking about how together the community have been and made a joke without thinking.

Are you two desperately TRYING to be offended at this completely innocuous thing?
 
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