General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%
  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%

  • Total voters
    656
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think the swing back to May will be quieter voters, and also voters who may even be tempted by Corbyn in the past few weeks but when it comes to casting their vote only have to have one big doubt, whether its policy, IRA or Abbott/McDonnell, to go with the status quo. That's the challenge for Corbyn, people are clearly warming to him and the idea of voting for him, but when it comes to the crunch how many people will just decide it was a nice idea but there was something troubling that stops them.
I remember when Kinnock was apparently closing the gap on the Tories in a similar scenario over 30 years ago, come the election,
he got annihilated. Now I'm not suggesting this election will go the same way, May has nothing like the gravitas commanded
by Thatcher, but, this silent majority issue, in other words, folk who don't get involved generally, are the ones who dictate the result.
If they've changed en masse to Corbyn, it would indeed be astonishing, personally, I don't think they have.
 
I was watching a Jimmy McGovern drama last night. The main character a single mother of three children got fired for stealing, she stole because she was skint. Anyway she goes to claim benefit and is told she is not entitled to any for 13 weeks, because she was fired. She had no money, three children to feed, bills etc.
I am no bleeding heart liberal, but in a country where we give 0.2 % of GDP to foreign aid, if the media are correct have an open door immigration policy, and have the fifth biggest economy in the world, and, cannot supply suitable welfare arrangements for one of its population, with children, leaves me wondering what the hell is going on!
If I was to vote ( I don't/ won't) this issue could influence me, I know Jimmy is a leftie, but a good man and writer, and I doubt he would have any false issues in his work. It is a disgrace if this kind of thing is going on. For the record, I know absolutely nothing about welfare benefits having had the good fortune never to need them in my life, but I say again, if this drama portrayed a true reflection of the welfare system, shame on us all !!
 
That's reassuring and worrying and probably more of the latter than the former. If the under 25's turn up in numbers, May is screwed.
That is true, I've not met many kids who say they're voting Conservative, but again, if 85% of them manage to
haul their arses out of bed, instead of the usual 25% or so, May would indeed be screwed.
 
I was watching a Jimmy McGovern drama last night. The main character a single mother of three children got fired for stealing, she stole because she was skint. Anyway she goes to claim benefit and is told she is not entitled to any for 13 weeks, because she was fired. She had no money, three children to feed, bills etc.
I am no bleeding heart liberal, but in a country where we give 0.2 % of GDP to foreign aid, if the media are correct have an open door immigration policy, and have the fifth biggest economy in the world, and, cannot supply suitable welfare arrangements for one of its population, with children, leaves me wondering what the hell is going on!
If I was to vote ( I don't/ won't) this issue could influence me, I know Jimmy is a leftie, but a good man and writer, and I doubt he would have any false issues in his work. It is a disgrace if this kind of thing is going on. For the record, I know absolutely nothing about welfare benefits having had the good fortune never to need them in my life, but I say again, if this drama portrayed a true reflection of the welfare system, shame on us all !!
TV dramas are frequently full of factual errors.
 
I remember when Kinnock was apparently closing the gap on the Tories in a similar scenario over 30 years ago, come the election,
he got annihilated. Now I'm not suggesting this election will go the same way, May has nothing like the gravitas commanded
by Thatcher, but, this silent majority issue, in other words, folk who don't get involved generally, are the ones who dictate the result.
If they've changed en masse to Corbyn, it would indeed be astonishing, personally, I don't think they have.

The Mrs just told me an interesting fact. Apparently 2.9m people watched the debate on Monday night, whereas 8.5m decided to watch Britain's Got Talent instead.

I think that's very revealing. What it tells me is that an awful lot of people are really not that fussed about politics. They may have their views about which way they will vote, based on their family history, personal circumstances of whatever, but they are not hanging on every word that comes out of the politicians' mouths like people seem to be on this thread and in the media.

To me this implies that the polls will likely exaggerate any position or movement in a particular direction. I'd be surprised if May was ever as far as 20-odd points ahead in reality, and I'd also be surprised if uncle Jeremy has managed to close the gap as much as the polls suggest. That is not to say the gap hasn't closed at all, I think it probably has, but not as much as the polls would suggest.
 
The Mrs just told me an interesting fact. Apparently 2.9m people watched the debate on Monday night, whereas 8.5m decided to watch Britain's Got Talent instead.

I think that's very revealing. What it tells me is that an awful lot of people are really not that fussed about politics. They may have their views about which way they will vote, based on their family history, personal circumstances of whatever, but they are not hanging on every word that comes out of the politicians' mouths like people seem to be on this thread and in the media.

To me this implies that the polls will likely exaggerate any position or movement in a particular direction. I'd be surprised if May was ever as far as 20-odd points ahead in reality, and I'd also be surprised if uncle Jeremy has managed to close the gap as much as the polls suggest. That is not to say the gap hasn't closed at all, I think it probably has, but not as much as the polls would suggest.

That might very well be true, but the polls have definitely spooked May, she's gone full blown don't look at me look at him!
 
Wonder how many people will read this and agree?

Jim Jessop: (London):
So you're not sure, after what you've heard, whether you can vote labour...?
Not sure who wrote this, and like everything in life which is a complex business it seems, I don't necessarily agree with 110% of it, down to every last final minute detail, but the gist is clear enough:
'Here's what I'm really struggling to understand. All I've ever heard from people, for years, is
"bloody bankers and their bonuses"
"bloody rich and their offshore tax havens "
"bloody politicians with their lying and second homes"
“bloody corporations paying less tax than me”
"bloody Establishment, they're all in it together”
“it'll never change, there's no point in voting”
And quite rightly so, I said all the same things.
But then someone comes along that's different. He upsets the bankers and the rich. The Tory politicians hate him along with most of the labour politicians. The corporations throw more money at the politicians to keep him quiet. And the Establishment is visibly shaken. I've never seen the Establishment so genuinely scared of a single person.
So the media arm of the establishment gets involved. Theresa phones Rupert asking what he can do, and he tells her to keep her mouth shut, don't do the live debate, he'll sort this out. So the media goes into overdrive with…
“she's strong and stable”
“he's a clown”
“he's not a leader”
“look he can't even control his own party”
“he'll ruin the economy”
“how's he gonna pay for it all?!”
“AND he's a terrorist sympathiser, burn him, burn the terrorist sympathiser”
And what do we? We've waited forever for an honest politician to come along but instead of getting behind him we bow to the establishment like good little workers. They whistle and we do a little dance for them. We run around like hypnotised robots repeating headlines we've read, all nodding and agreeing. Feeling really proud of ourselves because we think we've came up with our very own first political opinion. But we haven't, we haven't came up with anything. This is how you tell. No matter where someone lives in the country, they're repeating the same headlines, word for word. From Cornwall to Newcastle people are saying
“he's a clown”
“he’s a threat to the country”
“she's strong and stable”
“he'll take us back to the 70s”
And there's nothing else, there's no further opinion. There's no evidence apart from 1 radio 5 interview that isn't even concrete evidence, he actually condemns the violence of both sides in the interview. There's no data or studies or official reports to back anything up. Try and think really hard why you think he's a clown, other than the fact he looks like a geography teacher. (no offence geography teachers) because he hasn't done anything clownish from what I've seen.
And you're not on this planet if you think the establishment and the media aren't all in it together.
You think Richard Branson, who's quietly winning NHS contracts, wants Corbyn in?
You think Rupert Murdoch, who's currently trying to widen his media monopoly by buying sky outright, wants Jeremy in?
You think the Barclay brothers, with their offshore residencies, want him in?
You think Philip Green, who stole all the pensions from BHS workers and claims his wife owns Top Shop because she lives in Monaco, wants Corbyn in?
You think the politicians, both Labour and Tory, with their second homes and alcohol paid for by us, want him in?
You think Starbucks, paying near zero tax, wants him in?
You think bankers, with their multi million pound bonuses, want him in?
And do you think they don't have contact with May? Or with the media? You honestly think that these millionaires and billionaires are the sort of people that go “ah well, easy come easy go, it was nice while it lasted”?? I wouldn't be if my personal fortune was at risk, I'd be straight on the phone to Theresa May or Rupert Murdoch demanding this gets sorted immediately.
Because here's a man, a politician that doesn't lie, he can't lie, he could have said whatever would get him votes anytime he wanted but he hasn't. He lives in a normal house like us and uses the bus just like us. He's fought for justice and peace for nearly 40 years. He has no career ambitions. And his seat is untouchable. That's one of the greatest testimonies. No one comes close to removing him from his constituency, election after election.
His Manifesto is fully costed. It all adds up, yes there's some borrowing but that's just to renationalise the railway, you know we already subsidise them and they make profit yeah? One more time… WE subsidise the railway companies and they walk away with a profit, just try and grasp the level of piss taking going on there.
Unlike the Tory manifesto with a £9 billion hole, their figures don't even add up.
And it benefits all of us, young, old, working, disabled, everyone.

Stopped reading after honest politician. If I wanted to waste my time on fairy tales hans Christian Andersen does it much better
 
these polls dont make any sense, yesterday the conservatives were 12 points ahead, now its just a few points today apparently. we've gone from not trusting polls, to pretty much every political conversation being based on polls.

After getting the 2015 election results wrong, the pollsters have all modified their polling techniques to try to correct for understating the tory vote. But it seems they've done that in different ways or to different extents.
 
Fucks sake. I can't watch a simple YouTube video without hearing about how Jeremy Corbynn is Osama Bin Hussein Fawkes. Sums up the shite candidates put forward that campaigns are now entirely centred around "this person is so much worse than I am so please vote for me."

Theresa May and her gaping tapir nostrils can fuck off, I'd sooner vote for Nile Ranger.
 
Fucks sake. I can't watch a simple YouTube video without hearing about how Jeremy Corbynn is Osama Bin Hussein Fawkes. Sums up the shite candidates put forward that campaigns are now entirely centred around "this person is so much worse than I am so please vote for me."

Theresa May and her gaping tapir nostrils can fuck off, I'd sooner vote for Nile Ranger.

Is he standing?
 
That might very well be true, but the polls have definitely spooked May, she's gone full blown don't look at me look at him!

She's run an absolutely diabolical campaign imo. Jeremy has been Jeremy, no better, no worse and put his hoof in it plenty. But she's been off the scale terrible. From arrogant and wrong policies in the manifesto, to the u-turn on care costs, to the pretending she hasn't u-turned when patently she has, the looking like a frightened rabbit in interviews and stuttering and fumbling over her words like a nervous 14 year old talking to the school assembly. Awful.

But fortunately as I say, she's started with a big lead and I doubt most people will have been taking as much notice as we have, so she'll probably (and hopefully) limp home.
 
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