Post Match Thread: Election 2017

[Bluebee2]

Corbyn will be PM before the year is out !

 

[urban genie]

Chief whip over in Belfast to formally negotiate a coallition, with sectarian bigotted, creationist, homophobic, anti abortion fuckwits


shirley this contravenes the good friday agreements nuetrality of parliament.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Even if the Brexit negotiations ultimately go well, the EU's initial position will scare many voters. A commanding PM might be able to reassure them that it will all turn out well in the end but May couldn't, and I don't think a new untrusted PM would be able to. Things will get worse for the tories before they improve.

There is no well, just bad or worse.

If there is any Brexit silver lining (and there isn't) it does not lie in the Brexit negotiations, it lies in the as yet undefined sunny uplands of super soaraway global Britain. But the Brexit negotiations? We will lose, it's just a matter of how much.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Quite surprised that we haven't seen any updated variants of this from 2015.

Need that with Salmond & Sturgeon, with the latter asking "How am I doing boss?" and Salmond saying "Shite wee Jimmy".

 

[blueparrot]

Get someone who supports the policies, can communicate well but doesn't have the baggage that Corbyn has and I think the Labour party would be very well placed.

Totally agree with that, but does that person exist, if their is an election soon it will be Corbyn again. If its after Brexit Corbyn will be 70 would he go again ? Then when it comes to replacements, I don't see any of his shadow cabinet being that person, and not sure the back benchers could beat them in a members vote. Think they could end up with a left winger without his campaigning skills and personality.

 

[dave_blue12]

Perfect result for Corbyn who can sit back and watch May and the Conservatives tie themselves in knots struggling with the almost impossible situation they have got themselves into.

Though it must be said that the coming months,whilst amusing to watch, will do nothing for the prosperity of the country

 

[Gabriel]

Leopards don't change their spots. She's not suddenly going to become an inclusive, collegiate-style leader. I still think she had some sort of breakdown or near breakdown during the campaign. She's now even more exposed and will be doing well to get the part conference as leader. She'll get torn apart there and that will finish her.

Conference is not until early October (in Manchester, too) but I find it hard to see how she can last until then. Party is caught between Scylla and Charybdis; it loathes public displays of weakness and likes to get on with governing, but the only way around that is either to support her wholeheartedly (impossible with no majority) or ditch her (impossible with no majority).

 

[SWP's back]

Both resigned

Good stuff.

 

[SWP's back]

Chief whip over in Belfast to formally negotiate a coallition, with sectarian bigotted, creationist, homophobic, anti abortion fuckwits


shirley this convenes the good friday agreements nuetrality of parliament.

Contravenes I think you mean.

 

[SWP's back]

Perfect result for Corbyn

That would have been about 60 more seats mate.

 

[urban genie]

Contravenes I think you mean.

yeah my qwerty is shite m instead of n half the time and freezes half way through a word.
That or my fat fingers and lack of proof reading

 

[mancityvstoke]

yeah my qwerty is shite m instead of n half the time and freezes half way through a word.
That or my fat fingers and lack of proof reading

that happens to me quite often strangely on here

 

[SWP's back]

yeah my qwerty is shite m instead of n half the time and freezes half way through a word.
That or my fat fingers and lack of proof reading

I blame May.

 

[CitizenTID]

Northern Ireland politics is in a mess, and May getting to bed with Arlene Foster (ugh) is not a great move, at all.

Good thread from Twatter on why...



It needs opening to see the whole thing.

(sorry if already posted)

Cheers for that. Good summary of NI's current politics. Can see it's been shifting in the wrong direction with each step.

I've been thinking for a while, perhaps like the passport situation, it should become politically/legally correct to refer to Northern Ireland as part of the Republic or UK depending on which side you fall (from a Northern Irish perspective). No definitive state, a province hung between two states with appropriate income vs. service funding etc. (as much retained in NI as fair). Then if they fail to form a NI government, it falls to joint rule between the Rep. and UK. Any kind of power shift/transfer should account for UK investment in NI though. Parties could take up seats in either UK house or Rep house too.

 

[law74]

Cheers for that. Good summary of NI's current politics. Can see it's been shifting in the wrong direction with each step.

I've been thinking for a while, perhaps like the passport situation, it should become politically/legally correct to refer to Northern Ireland as part of the Republic or UK depending on which side you fall (from a Northern Irish perspective). No definitive state, a province hung between two states with appropriate income vs. service funding etc. (as much retained in NI as fair). Then if they fail to form a NI government, it falls to joint rule between the Rep. and UK. Any kind of power shift/transfer should account for UK investment in NI though.

Great idea if you want a full blown civil war on your doorstep

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Nah, on average, Most UKIP voters went straight to Labour rather than the Tories (a ration of about 7/3). It was the most astounding thing about the election IMO.

There is a huge statistical correlation between UKIP losses and Tory gains. Not one to one but more like 70/30 to the Tories. In areas where the Leave vote and Labour vote in 2015 were high, the Tories did particularly well. I'm no political analyst but I'd suggest that if there's now no clear blue water between the parties on Brexit, then voters who have moved from Labour to the Conservatives might well go back to Labour, given UKIP are now effectively finished.

 

[CitizenTID]

Great idea if you want a full blown civil war on your doorstep

I'm just theorising here. I know a move in either direction raises the tension/fear of losing their cause on either side but as a long term solution (integration is at least 2/3 generations off), it's the most fair.

 

[Vic]

Our local candidates attended the local 6th form college hustings. On the show of hands afterwards, Lib Dem candidate got 3 votes, Tory 9, Labour guy got 50. It was a Tory seat. Not now.

 

[law74]

I'm just theorising here. I know a move in either direction raises the tension/fear of losing their cause on either side but as a long term solution (integration is at least 2/3 generations off), it's the most fair.

What's required is people to realise the national sovereignty issue is settled under international law and we remain an integral part of the UK until the majority of the population of Northern Ireland decide otherwise. Now our politicians (if you can call them that) need to grow up and get down to the business of setting up a programme for government.
For the record, on Thursday I spoiled my vote as I find the policies of the 5 parties standing in my constituency abhorrent.

 

[Vic]

Conference is not until early October (in Manchester, too) but I find it hard to see how she can last until then. Party is caught between Scylla and Charybdis; it loathes public displays of weakness and likes to get on with governing, but the only way around that is either to support her wholeheartedly (impossible with no majority) or ditch her (impossible with no majority).

Scylla and Charybdis - either of them sounds a better bet than David Davies or Boris Johnson