bluethrunthru
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we have to hope it forces progress then?
Government ban on Petrol and Diesel vehicles (by 2040)
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we have to hope it forces progress then?
bluethrunthru
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Spreadsheet Phil has already indicated the Govt will have to look at how they raise revenue off this so enjoy the £6 fill up whilst it lasts......
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won't apply to light commercial vehicles... so I'll be OK :-)
I accept that not everyone has a drive or garage, but those that do will be incentivised to stick the car on charge overnight, on a timer so that it charges when the demand for electricity is low, which should reduce the need for extra generating capacity. The Telegraph are claiming that we will need 10 additional Hinkley sized power stations, but that's assuming everyone charges as soon as they get home from work. It would be absurd beyond belief if the government allowed that to happen.
Obviously its not as convenient as filling up at your local petrol station. But I wonder how long it will be before the existing network of petrol stations starts to become uneconomic. Once the number of electric cars exceed say 20% the reduced demand will start leading to closures. If all cars have to be electric by 2040, then by 2030-5 it will probably start to become a pain finding a petrol station in the suburbs.
MikeF
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Given the fact the Government backtrack on proposals they make all the time, I would give this the credence it deserves.
Maybe if we had the infrastructure in place required, I'd take it a bit more seriously.
Oh and the fact we haven't the capacity, and most probably won't have given the fact it takes over 10 years to build a nuclear power station. Where does the Govt. propose we got the extra capacity from? We're getting told that the National Grid is working at near capacity now without the idea of all vehicles being electric
Having said this, it might stop parents doing the school run when they live 100 yards from the school and get off their fat arses and walk a bit more!
Maybe if we had the infrastructure in place required, I'd take it a bit more seriously.
Oh and the fact we haven't the capacity, and most probably won't have given the fact it takes over 10 years to build a nuclear power station. Where does the Govt. propose we got the extra capacity from? We're getting told that the National Grid is working at near capacity now without the idea of all vehicles being electric
Having said this, it might stop parents doing the school run when they live 100 yards from the school and get off their fat arses and walk a bit more!
bluethrunthru
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except its all NEW cars by 2040 not all cars. I expect patrol stations will be around for a while yet.
Just imagine if fast chargers were able to completely "fill" a car in 10 mins. Now consider a petrol station - say a popular one like a Tesco fore court for example. What- say 16 - 20 pumps. In a busy period they probably do 20 cars fill ups in say 10 mins or less. Then imagine the queues whilst electric cars stop and charge for 10 mins - maybe a bit more. As I say I don't doubt that non-fossil fuel powered vehicles are the future but right now if you consider the petrol cars progress we are somewhere around the Bull Nosed Morris Oxford / Jowett Javelin in the evolutionary development - a long way from where we need to be. Will be interesting to see where we are come say 2030
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Honda already have a hydrogen car in production.
Hydrogen power is the future
Not electricity
As long as there is sea water we will have hydrogen
It's just safe tanking and cost holding it up
Once that's cracked electric power will be dead
Hydrogen power is the future
Not electricity
As long as there is sea water we will have hydrogen
It's just safe tanking and cost holding it up
Once that's cracked electric power will be dead
The only reason for this is the roads can't possibly cope with the amount of traffic now, so the gov plan to get us off the roads by introducing electric cars by which time people won't be able to afford them, they will introduce stricter mot laws to get petrol and diesel cars off the road, most of our jobs will probely be taken by robots or some sort of automation you see that now in supermarkets, petrol stations, cinemas, wages will still be crap up north, the electric cars will cost upwards of 20k, the only ones affording these new cars will be people on anything above 50k therefore reducing traffic congestion, happy days for gov all around the world, glad I won't be around to see the misery this will bring, ps do you know of anyone having breathing problems due to the emissions now ?
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But Tesco won't have petrol stations, they'll just put chargers in their car park. And they'll make them take however long they want to keep you in their shop.
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The cars will be charged wireless whilst driving along.
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Are you lot all in your 80's ? Why are so many saying they 'won't be around to see this' or 'be long gone' by then ... it's 20 years away!
grunge
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Just being pedantic, Hyrdrogen cars convert the hydrogen into Electricity, so a Hydrogen car is an electric car, just not storing the power in a battery.
bluethrunthru
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which is what makes it the way forward - on board generation - fill up with water in the fashion we do now - much better than heavy batteries and restricted range. Your fuel station is effectively a tap................
doots
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Sinclairs C5 was it?
Now there's a man with vision.
Now there's a man with vision.
If the government are really committed to no new petrol cars after 2040 then in reality it will become the norm well before then. Manufacturers will heavily push sales of electric vehicles. It will be interesting to guess at what point new electric car sales will exceed petrol car sales, my guess would be 2027.
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10 years!
Impossible.
Where's the infrastructure to provide the extra demand for electricity and the charging points for the vehicles.
It's another pipe dream that will be kicked into the long grass.
Impossible.
Where's the infrastructure to provide the extra demand for electricity and the charging points for the vehicles.
It's another pipe dream that will be kicked into the long grass.
grunge
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The infrastructure has been building for years. Here's a current map of charging points.
https://www.zap-map.com/live/
And as I said in a previous post, the first coast to coast ( NY to LA) drive in a tesla occurred recently.
I believe there will be an exponential growth in charging points now, in 10 years i would be surprised if there isn't at least 1 at every petrol station.
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how long does it take to charge up?
grunge
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currently, Entirely dependant on how far you want to go. "another 20 miles" you could probably charge in the same time it takes to fill up with petrol, a full charge at a supercharger is 30 mins at the moment.
Having had a ride in my bosses Tesla yesterday I can say they are the future!. feck me the accelleration on that thing is amazing. He just leaves his plugged in over night to ensure he's always got a decent charge.
Edit: apparently there is currently a deal going on with electric cars, if your a business owner you can write off 80% of the cost against corporation tax.