Good call by Vince today about how old people acting on delusions of imperialism and Rule Brittania have shafted the young in the Brexit vote.
Chimes with a recent opinion poll in which 50% of the farts who voted leave said they would have done so even if it meant their kids or grandkids losing their job.
Nice one (Cyril).
Shh, you'll get Ancient excited!Dear old Blighty - never better than when in its " finest hour" - we need rickets and the National Loaf to make a come back lol
Shh, you'll get Ancient excited!
Very noble of you Ancient to take on such a long odds punt for future generations.Good morning Len. As we have just voted to reject EU rules, the ECJ and budget payments, in a referendum,
then, I think it is self evident that their rules were understood. We are now in discussions on whether a mutual
agreement can be made in order to facilitate future trade with the EU, how that will pan out, as yet, we don't know,
but I keep seeing on here how we won't get this, we'll not get that, we'll never get the other.
If, in a couple of years we don't get anything like a reasonable deal, and we do indeed bow the knee to Juncker and Co,
and meekly accept, in true Cameron style, then I'll accept that the collective of naysayers had a point.
Until then, we wait and see.
Traditional working class tradesmen can't see beyond their noses when it comes to political decisions. That's why we have professional politicians and a parliament to make those decisions for us.Well, if you think that the referendum was won solely by hordes of Chipping Sodbury womens institute
members, and that the traditional working class tradesmen all demanded that this country stays in,
I'm afraid any predictions about rioting in the streets mean very little.
Tradesmen have seen their wages/fees driven lower and lower due to waves of eastern European immigrants. They do not need anyone making decisions for them. They voted in their own interests and rightly so.Traditional working class tradesmen can't see beyond their noses when it comes to political decisions. That's why we have professional politicians and a parliament to make those decisions for us.
Good call by Vince today about how old people acting on delusions of imperialism and Rule Brittania have shafted the young in the Brexit vote.
Chimes with a recent opinion poll in which 50% of the farts who voted leave said they would have done so even if it meant their kids or grandkids losing their job.
Nice one (Cyril).
Well, if you think that the referendum was won solely by hordes of Chipping Sodbury womens institute
members, and that the traditional working class tradesmen all demanded that this country stays in,
I'm afraid any predictions about rioting in the streets mean very little.
They were the stupidest of the lot.Tradesmen have seen their wages/fees driven lower and lower due to waves of eastern European immigrants. They do not need anyone making decisions for them. They voted in their own interests and rightly so.
The increased supply of labour means reduced wages for these tradesmen, but yeah a snide comments about people you know nothing about.They were the stupidest of the lot.
Turkeys voting for Christmas.
What about the 27% of the youngest voters voting leave and 38% of the next youngest group doing the same?
Do they all share the same age disorder Benjamin Button has?
You must know some strange tradesmen. Every single one I've spoken to prefers that they're not driven out of business by cheap immigrant labour.They were the stupidest of the lot.
Turkeys voting for Christmas.
The increased supply of labour means reduced wages for these tradesmen, but yeah a snide comments about people you know nothing about.
You must know some strange tradesmen. Every single one I've spoken to prefers that they're not driven out of business by cheap immigrant labour.
No - but they are in the minority going off your figures - in both age groups there was a much bigger majority wanting to remain...
You do know what entropy is don't you?yes but also consider that people who move to the UK as that labour and stay here buy homes and want things like driveways block paving, kitchens and bathrooms renewing, central heating boilers replacing, they buy groceries and cars and put petrol in them they go gyms and pubs and spend there. They don't live in isolation. So the tradesmen who want them out are also effectively making their future market smaller - way to go as the American say.
We are talking about depressed wages due to the oversupply of labour, not lack of work. There is plenty of work as long as you don't want a decent wage for it. Even the Great Santa Manifesto of Jeremy stated freedom of movement would end. Mass migration of cheap foreign labour makes the poor poorer no matter how many gym memberships they pay for.yes but also consider that people who move to the UK as that labour and stay here buy homes and want things like driveways block paving, kitchens and bathrooms renewing, central heating boilers replacing, they buy groceries and cars and put petrol in them they go gyms and pubs and spend there. They don't live in isolation. So the tradesmen who want them out are also effectively making their future market smaller - way to go as the American say.
When I see these statements, I see the current Labour party, and why it can't, even after the most ineffectualTraditional working class tradesmen can't see beyond their noses when it comes to political decisions. That's why we have professional politicians and a parliament to make those decisions for us.