Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

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bugsyblue said:
I'm not an expert in the subject but that article relates to employment growth not unemployment numbers. It implies job growth is driven by EU nationals coming over more than domestically lead growth, doesn't it? My understanding is unemployment numbers haven't risen which is strange if EU nationals are taking British jobs?

Also you highlight that most people don't leave school until they are 18 which kind of undercuts your statement about growing an unskilled unemployed workforce.

And my final point, all you've done is highlight the negative side of free labour movement. You haven't spoken about the overwhelming positive side. For every 'foreigner' coming over here and stealing a delivery job, there's a foreigner who has come over, left their family, and friends, moved to somewhere they didn't know and had to work twice as hard as someone else to be given an opportunity. I will never berate them for that just because they weren't born on this soil. None of us choose where we were born and it's for that reason I fundamentally disagree with nationalism.
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So you would want world wide free movement of people?
 
bugsyblue said:
Well of course it's not because we don't have a world union. We had a European union where free movement works very well.
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hilts said:
Aye everyone loves it as that European wide vote confirmed. What was the majority? I must have slept in that day.
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Erm I'm guessing you're talking about Brexit? Well one it wasn't just a vote on free labour movement and two think you're forgetting about the 27 other countries that form part of the union who are by and large happy with fit.

Let me ask you a personal question. How has the European free labour movement negatively affected you? Maybe that will help me understand where you're coming from.
 
bugsyblue said:
Erm I'm guessing you're talking about Brexit? Well one it wasn't just a vote on free labour movement and two think you're forgetting about the 27 other countries that form part of the union who are by and large happy with fit.

Let me ask you a personal question. How has the European free labour movement negatively affected you? Maybe that will help me understand where you're coming from.
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I wasn't talking about brexit. Give me your data that the majority of people in Europe are happy with uncontrolled immigration.
 
hilts said:
I wasn't talking about brexit. Give me your data that the majority of people in Europe are happy with uncontrolled immigration.
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Okay maybe happiness was the wrong word. I mean I think opinion is turning because there's a wave nationalism spreading the world and people are generally (and worryingly in my eyes) becoming more and more anti-immigration. However this is deviating away from my original point that European free labour movement works well as in practically, economically and socially. Or certainly has for the last decade, would you agree? Whether people are by and large still happy I don't know. I would agree it's probably more a divided issue these days.
 
bugsyblue said:
Okay maybe happiness was the wrong word. I mean I think opinion is turning because there's a wave nationalism spreading the world and people are generally (and worryingly in my eyes) becoming more and more anti-immigration. However this is deviating away from my original point that European free labour movement works well as in practically, economically and socially. Or certainly has for the last decade, would you agree? Whether people are by and large still happy I don't know. I would agree it's probably more a divided issue these days.
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If it was a booming success why are people turning against immigration as you put it. Apart from the odd loon this isn't anti immigration it's anti uncontolled immigration.

Uncontrolled immigration isn't practical or good socially, as for the economics plenty of people have made money and I think you can guess which people these are.
 
Vic said:
For "flood the EU with cheap 3rd world labour" read Merkel offering a home in Germany to people fleeing war zones - while May does all she can to keep out refugees (and Farage scandalously does a poster which obviously persuaded you).
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Farage was and still is right about the EU and if you think that Merkels migrants are escaping the war in Syria then you've fell for the narrative that's been fed to you. What Merkel has done is sheer madness and it has a reason. As for us? How many adult male children should we accept? How many Syrian women and genuine children came on the last intake?
 
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I honestly believe an African (or Australian or American or Uruguayan etc) should have exactly the same chance and opportunity to come and make his or her life in the UK as a European does.

Unfortunately due to the lack of control over (white) Europeans we have to make it more difficult for the aforesaid to do so. Not impossible clearly, but more difficult. That's unfair to me.

I also think an African farmer should be able to sell his or her wares in to the uk as easily as a multi-millionaire French (white) agri-conglomerate.
But they can't because the EU impose tariffs on food from outside the eu zone. That seems unfair to me.

Wanting the above apparently makes me a thick northern racist.
Defending the above would apparently make me a liberal.

Go figure.
 
vonkeynotvenky said:
Farage was and still is right about the EU and if you think that Merkels migrants are escaping the war in Syria then you've fell for the narrative that's been fed to you. What Merkel has done is sheer madness and it has a reason. As for us? How many adult male children should we accept? How many Syrian women and genuine children came on the last intake?
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You really love to drip that poison of yours.

Stop pissing about and let's see your true colours.
 
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