Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

[west didsblue]

Not seen a great deal about the possibility of the UK rejoining EFTA after Brexit. Seeing as three out of five of the richest European countries per capita are members of EFTA and not the EU, it seems like a logical aspiration. The fact that EFTA is trade focused and has nothing like the political integration aspirations of the EU, it should be something that Brexiters and Remainers could all support. EFTA already has trade deals with 27 countries as well as with the EU via the EEA. Obviously there would need to be compromises from the Brexiters regarding movement of labour but in principle membership of EFTA should give us most of the benefits of EU membership without actually being part of it. It seems to work for Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Iceland. Whether they'd have us is another question.

 

[cibaman]

Not seen a great deal about the possibility of the UK rejoining EFTA after Brexit. Seeing as three out of five of the richest European countries per capita are members of EFTA and not the EU, it seems like a logical aspiration. The fact that EFTA is trade focused and has nothing like the political integration aspirations of the EU, it should be something that Brexiters and Remainers could all support. EFTA already has trade deals with 27 countries as well as with the EU via the EEA. Obviously there would need to be compromises from the Brexiters regarding movement of labour but in principle membership of EFTA should give us most of the benefits of EU membership without actually being part of it. It seems to work for Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Iceland. Whether they'd have us is another question.

So will not happen

 

[Len Rum]

Not seen a great deal about the possibility of the UK rejoining EFTA after Brexit. Seeing as three out of five of the richest European countries per capita are members of EFTA and not the EU, it seems like a logical aspiration. The fact that EFTA is trade focused and has nothing like the political integration aspirations of the EU, it should be something that Brexiters and Remainers could all support. EFTA already has trade deals with 27 countries as well as with the EU via the EEA. Obviously there would need to be compromises from the Brexiters regarding movement of labour but in principle membership of EFTA should give us most of the benefits of EU membership without actually being part of it. It seems to work for Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Iceland. Whether they'd have us is another question.

May ditched that one mate with her speech to the Tory party conference - end to free movement of Labour and not accepting ECJ.
Once UKIP is embedded in the Tory's DNA following the general election, May will have backed herself even further into a hard brexit corner having already sold out to the extreme right in her party and the the right wing Tory press.

 

[blueinsa]

Brexit means Brexit.

At what point will the remainer's who invented the terms, hard and soft in an attempt to still get what they wanted pack it the fuck in and accept we are leaving, end of?

Its laughable as they use the term "hard" to bash anyone with.

 

[mcfc1632]

Not seen a great deal about the possibility of the UK rejoining EFTA after Brexit. Seeing as three out of five of the richest European countries per capita are members of EFTA and not the EU, it seems like a logical aspiration. The fact that EFTA is trade focused and has nothing like the political integration aspirations of the EU, it should be something that Brexiters and Remainers could all support. EFTA already has trade deals with 27 countries as well as with the EU via the EEA. Obviously there would need to be compromises from the Brexiters regarding movement of labour but in principle membership of EFTA should give us most of the benefits of EU membership without actually being part of it. It seems to work for Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Iceland. Whether they'd have us is another question.

If we were to join the EFTA - what would have been the point of us leaving the EU?

 

[west didsblue]

If we were to join the EFTA - what would have been the point of us leaving the EU?

To get away from being part of a future European super-state.

 

[west didsblue]

May ditched that one mate with her speech to the Tory party conference - end to free movement of Labour and not accepting ECJ.
Once UKIP is embedded in the Tory's DNA following the general election, May will have backed herself even further into a hard brexit corner having already sold out to the extreme right in her party and the the right wing Tory press.

EFTA members aren't under the ECJ. They have their own supra-national court.

 

[mcfc1632]

Of course.

YouGov poll 10th May.

In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the EU?

Wrong 45%

Right 44%

Don't know 11%

http://whatukthinks.org/eu/question...n-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/

So a number of other places reporting on this new poll today - the one that I mentioned gives a further breakdown which means that 'diehard Remainer' is down to just over one fifth. Headlines such as:

• New opinion polling has revealed a third group within the 52-48 Brexit divide

• YouGov found 23% of people who backed the EU want the referendum respected

• It means barely one in five are opposed to the result and want Brexit blocked

Do you still think that I was making it up?

 

[stonerblue]

I have read up on all this - including this article through the night before you posted it. For me though you would have been better starting a thread for it. It is a significant development / vulnerability across the globe which has many ramifications.

I can see the risks and I am not at all sure not only what the answer is - but where is even the start of the road that could lead to the answer/solution.

The problem I would suggest you may have/cause by posting it on this thread is that there will be some that do not read it - there will be others that think that they have read it but are not really able to absorb it - and there will be others that do see the truly global significance etc.

The problem is that on this thread the global significance is likely to get dumbed down to some excuse / blame of why the 23/06 vote went the way it did.

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Edit to say:

As I say - it would better being a separate thread rather than deflect this one. You say it is not about Brexit, but having posted it on a Brexit thread..................

So on that basis - having seen that some on here are indeed using it in a Brexit manner, by view:

Of course this is what the 'impartial' Guardian is hoping people take away from the final message;

"The EU referendum was a battle of dishonesty. It was won by the side with the means to distribute the most plausible lies."

So there we had it - the entire UK government machine to run Project Fear - able to choose the time of the campaign - able to ensure that the time given to the campaign was the shortest possible - able to muzzle key speakers until the start of the campaign and backed up my the EU.

against

Some very few people with very little budget and few resources and very little time - but heh - they had a bus.

FFS - "...........It was won by the side with the means to distribute the most plausible lies."

Yeah - Only if you are that desperate to think that the side with the means was the Leave side.

oh dear.

 

[stonerblue]

Brexit means Brexit.

At what point will the remainer's who invented the terms, hard and soft in an attempt to still get what they wanted pack it the fuck in and accept we are leaving, end of?

Its laughable as they use the term "hard" to bash anyone with.

Theresa May ‘tells ministers to prepare for HARD BREXIT in MAJOR warning to Brussels’