Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

[The perfect fumble]

What exactly were the remain lies as opposed to the leave lies?

Ask i kne albert davy, he has them tattooed on his arse.

 

[Vic]

It's not an insult it's an observation of mine about the thread.

Offence is taken not given. If YOU feel that my observation on how this thread has 'devovled' into petty insults and ad hominem attacks references you personally then i'm afraid that's your issue. I'm talking about how the thread has become what it has, not that it's always been that way; you're interpreting the post incorrectly, again another example of what has happened to the thread.

Do I think you're a positive contributor? No, I don't. Sorry. (Positive here having the meaning of providing beneficial information that gives an accurate representation of the proceedings, and not 'pro-Brexit'. It's a shame we all have to clarify everything now because people like to interpret things differently to suit their outrage.) Do I feel I do? No, as I stated I welcome the contributions of those who genuinely try and make sense of the verbal diarrhea that comes out, to explain in laymen's terms what's going on because I myself am not privy to the inner workings of the EU, the gargantuan task of negotating our separation to a successful and satisfactory conclusion. Personally I don't care if the EU becomes worse off as a result, but that's just my view.

If your admitted purpose, or at least one of, is to 'persuade' people then may I be one to state that your tactic of insulting them isn't working and it's reached a point now that even if you did say something credible, few on here would now respect it on that basis because of what you've stated in the past. YOU think the Brexit negotiations are shite because you think Brexit is shite, by your own admittance. To a neutral how are they meant to respect your opinion? You've admitted your bias. And that is the purpose of my previous post; this is not a thread for people to explain or discuss what's going on or the potential ramifications from both viewpoints, it's the pro-EU/Anti-Brexit champions arguing with the pro-Brexit/Anti-EU advocates about whose opinion on brexit is most 'right'.

How is that conductive to informing others about the updates to the proceedings? *Something happens* "Oh this is terrible, this proves Brexit's a disaster, blood on your hands for the next generation!" "No this is great news, proves the EU was out to get us all along, things can only get better!"

Four. Hundred. Pages of this shit.

Sorry but I'm really not sure what you mean by "insult". Is this an insult: "contributions like yours and others that focuses solely on insults of opinions are not entirely useful"? Or is it just an insult of an opinion?

When is this second referendum?
And the percentage of the electorate that now wants us to leave is now more than the original vote,
so your fellow democracy deniers appear to be a dwindling band, it looks like all the hair pulling and footstamping
has produced the opposite effect.
I'm afraid screaming 'Brexit is shite' may not be the best approach, but God loves a trier.

So I didn't want a referendum but got one but now I want a referendum I'm anti-democratic? And you've obviously not been looking at the latest opinion polls. About a third still committed either way, then of the other third there's enough of a majority for remain - but half of that third either are ambivalent or don't know.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

He's going to teach the British? Another nail in the coffin for these arrogant buggers. We are guilty of "Nostalgia" he's a bloody moron :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41140564

 

[i kne albert davy]

He's going to teach the British? Another nail in the coffin for these arrogant buggers. We are guilty of "Nostalgia" he's a bloody moron :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41140564

Pretty true to form there was another European not that long ago was keen on re education.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Sorry but I'm really not sure what you mean by "insult". Is this an insult: "contributions like yours and others that focuses solely on insults of opinions are not entirely useful"? Or is it just an insult of an opinion?

So I didn't want a referendum but got one but now I want a referendum I'm anti-democratic? And you've obviously not been looking at the latest opinion polls. About a third still committed either way, then of the other third there's enough of a majority for remain - but half of that third either are ambivalent or don't know.

So you now want something we've already had, that you didn't want but now want why don't we try for best of 5 if the next one doesn't go your way as well.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

This topic is supposed to be about Article 50, Brexit negotiations, according to the title, so we should be discussing
the methodology, tactics and solutions to the inevitable counters our negotiations will attract. Instead we have the same
harrumphing know alls still persisting in telling anyone who will listen, which is each other, how we got it completely wrong and how, because of our
vote, this country is bound, just bound, to disappear down the shitter. It has happened, most folk I know who voted remain are
now reconciled to that fact, yet some credulous 'experts' are predicting more referendums, that we'll be accepting every single thing we voted
against, and accepting of what political pissheads like Juncker and serial federalists like Barnier tell us to.
We're not, and we won't.

 

[philiph20]

Sick to death of this thread, I'd love to see it locked. It's like the bad smell that won't go away.

 

[DelToro]

Sick to death of this thread, I'd love to see it locked. It's like the bad smell that won't go away.

Or, alternatively, just don't look at it.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

This topic is supposed to be about Article 50, Brexit negotiations, according to the title, so we should be discussing
the methodology, tactics and solutions to the inevitable counters our negotiations will attract. Instead we have the same
harrumphing know alls still persisting in telling anyone who will listen, which is each other, how we got it completely wrong and how, because of our
vote, this country is bound, just bound, to disappear down the shitter. It has happened, most folk I know who voted remain are
now reconciled to that fact, yet some credulous 'experts' are predicting more referendums, that we'll be accepting every single thing we voted
against, and accepting of what political pissheads like Juncker and serial federalists like Barnier tell us to.
We're not, and we won't.

I am the opposite, I voted leave and now I am reconciled to the fact that we will remain.

 

[Vic]

This topic is supposed to be about Article 50, Brexit negotiations, according to the title, so we should be discussing
the methodology, tactics and solutions to the inevitable counters our negotiations will attract. Instead we have the same
harrumphing know alls still persisting in telling anyone who will listen, which is each other, how we got it completely wrong and how, because of our
vote, this country is bound, just bound, to disappear down the shitter. It has happened, most folk I know who voted remain are
now reconciled to that fact, yet some credulous 'experts' are predicting more referendums, that we'll be accepting every single thing we voted
against, and accepting of what political pissheads like Juncker and serial federalists like Barnier tell us to.
We're not, and we won't.

Seriously, confine the thread to negotiating tactics? It's not the cabinet office!

Can we then have a brexit is shite thread where we can talk about another referendum, and cut and paste great articles from the Guardian, without interference from unreconstructed Brexiters?

 

[Metal Biker]

He's going to teach the British? Another nail in the coffin for these arrogant buggers. We are guilty of "Nostalgia" he's a bloody moron :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41140564

I wonder if he includes people like myself who weren't even born when Britain wasn't a member of the EU/EEC?
I have no notions, affections or memories of 'The Empire'. They genuinely believe the 'old nationalists voted leave, young 'Europeans' voted remain' angle haven't they.

 

[JWBlueman]

Got to agree here the electorate was mightily deceived during the run up, If only we'd have known the devastating effect of the Emergency budget, the 3 million thrown out of work the end of Western politics, the recession that immediately followed the vote, the collapse of public services as no one will ever migrate here again, the massive tax rises but the worse of all the row after row of little white crosses from the outbreak of the 3rd World War. fancy the remain camp knowing the future so accurately eh.

Like.

(Fancy the working class being clever enough to see through all that bullshit too. All I've heard since the great freedom vote was that the British working class are all racist thick Neanderthals to a man. And ironically these insults are often thrown by the most passionate supporters of the racist EU. )

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

I wonder if he includes people like myself who weren't even born when Britain wasn't a member of the EU/EEC?
I have no notions, affections or memories of 'The Empire'. They genuinely believe the 'old nationalists voted leave, young 'Europeans' voted remain' angle haven't they.

I think he means anyone who doesn't subscribe to the new world order, anyone who doesn't acquiece to the prescribed version of how we should live and how we can better the profits of big business at the expense of the working poor.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I think he means anyone who doesn't subscribe to the new world order, anyone who doesn't acquiece to the prescribed version of how we should live and how we can better the profits of big business at the expense of the working poor.

You think leaving the EU will benefit the working poor?

 

[Grassland Blue]

I am still waiting for a reply to my question -
What were the remain lies as opposed to the leave lies?
Someone must know.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

You think leaving the EU will benefit the working poor?

This question has been answered to death and there is loads of evidence to suggest that leaving the EU will make the poorer better off. But you don't appear to want that.

 

[The perfect fumble]

This question has been answered to death and there is loads of evidence to suggest that leaving the EU will make the poorer better off. But you don't appear to want that.

It was a honest question, if you prefer not to answer it that's okay.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

I really doubt any of the remain voters left holding the fort on this thread have any honest questions left. The EU bureaucrats have turned to name calling and insults today because it isn't going their way, any Brit should be annoyed at the sheer arrogance of the continentals.
Give us money!
No!
We'll teach you.
Yawn

 

[Metal Biker]

I think he means anyone who doesn't subscribe to the new world order, anyone who doesn't acquiece to the prescribed version of how we should live and how we can better the profits of big business at the expense of the working poor.

Turning citizens into 'workers'. Not individuals with lives, just 'workers', working (cheaply) for the benefit of the big businesses they endorse.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

Turning citizens into 'workers'. Not individuals with lives, just 'workers', working (cheaply) for the benefit of the big businesses they endorse.

For starters they've turned good old fashioned socialists into pension grabbing foreign holidaying nice new car owning poor hating sycophants, anything is possible if you wave enough cash under the new Europeans noses.
But it's all the fault of the poor of course because the poor are stupid uneducated racists fit only to work and make big business rich so the new European middle class socialists can feed off them :)