Shooting at Mandalay Bay Resort (Las Vegas)

TCIB said:
There were no lines to read between. What i said was correct, the context was achingly glaringly clear in i was backing up posters noting Trump is pro NRA not anti guns. You must have gone out of your way to misread that.
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Too right he's pro gun.
Trump earlier this year when he became the first sitting president since Reagan to address the NRA.
“You came through big for me, and I am going to come through for you,” he told thousands of members attending the NRA’s annual convention. “The eight-year assault on your Second Amendment freedoms has come to a crashing end.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...7c8a68c1a66_story.html?utm_term=.4955ee28a878
 
better dead than red said:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/12/no-there-were-not-355-mass-shootings-this-year/
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It's not disputing the numbers is it? Just a lots of words trying to make this seem OK and not that big a deal for some reason.
Doesn't really matter what the reason for the shooting is, or how good or bad the people shot at are, it is still an insane amount of gun violence.
I understand that if you have lived in the US all your life you get desensitised to all but the extreme cases but the fact that there are 272 incidents where more 4 or more people are shot at is shocking to me living in the UK. Sorry I can't take that much comfort from the fact that on average only one person is killed in each mass shooting.

And then on top of that you have all the incidents where less than 4 people are shot at...giving annual casualty figures greater than a fairly serious regional war.
11,686 deaths so far this year, including 545 children under the age of 11.
23,717 people injured by guns

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
 
andyhinch said:
Good point, I can't see giving someone with financial problems a gun being a bad idea in any way.
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If we do look at it specifically i agree it still seems daft. I am all for equal rights when the risk to health and life of others and those individuals comes into play though then you need to look again i think.

better dead than red said:
Ok, pal. You are correct. :)
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On that topic bud i am not some chap who feels anyone who has had issues should be banned from guns. Indeed where do you draw the line with mental instability. I know a lass who is totally "normal" she just breaks down rather a lot and goes on a big downer for a few hours then perks right back up. It is not regular, just when the stress builds up, bills, argument with fella etc. I would say she is not a great candidate for owning a firearm. She has no medical condition though i.e. bipolar, just lots of hormones i think.

Personally i would not know where to start with making such divides on mental capacity, there are lads i know who are again "normal" but not to bright and sure as night turns to day one of them would end up shooting their own bollocks off. On a safety scale they are similar to the lass i noted but would be allowed to buy a gun no or very few questions asked.

I honestly would look at a blanket ban and not discriminate on mental capacity. I am all for freedom and civil rights, this gun crime stuff is getting really out of hand though i feel.
 
purplenose said:
Dont know if anyone on the threads has asked the question...but how on earth has this guy got so many weapons and ammunition upto the 32nd floor of a hotel without raising any suspicion? He had more guns and ammo than a 4 man special forces unit going deep behind enemy lines...
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Las Vegas is one if not the biggest expo & convention host in the country, and its quite normal for people to carry 10+ boxes/suitcases to their rooms/suites
 
TCIB said:
On that topic bud i am not some chap who feels anyone who has had issues should be banned from guns.
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I am the sort of chap that feels everyone should be banned from guns whatever your mental health.

I can not see any justification for owning a gun at all.
 
Machiavelli said:
Too right he's pro gun.
Trump earlier this year when he became the first sitting president since Reagan to address the NRA.
“You came through big for me, and I am going to come through for you,” he told thousands of members attending the NRA’s annual convention. “The eight-year assault on your Second Amendment freedoms has come to a crashing end.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...7c8a68c1a66_story.html?utm_term=.4955ee28a878
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Fuck, he was supposed to fuck the lobbyists but if they were some sort of core support you can see why this cycle will never break. Clinton is part of the same elite the people voted against and i get that. This guy has been given a chance as an outsider and from what i can tell is a lobbyists wet dream.
 
TCIB said:
If we do look at it specifically i agree it still seems daft. I am all for equal rights when the risk to health and life of others and those individuals comes into play though then you need to look again i think.



On that topic bud i am not some chap who feels anyone who has had issues should be banned from guns. Indeed where do you draw the line with mental instability. I know a lass who is totally "normal" she just breaks down rather a lot and goes on a big downer for a few hours then perks right back up. It is not regular, just when the stress builds up, bills, argument with fella etc. I would say she is not a great candidate for owning a firearm. She has no medical condition though i.e. bipolar, just lots of hormones i think.

Personally i would not know where to start with making such divides on mental capacity, there are lads i know who are again "normal" but not to bright and sure as night turns to day one of them would end up shooting their own bollocks off. On a safety scale they are similar to the lass i noted but would be allowed to buy a gun no or very few questions asked.

I honestly would look at a blanket ban and not discriminate on mental capacity. I am all for freedom and civil rights, this gun crime stuff is getting really out of hand though i feel.
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I also know people who have no business owning a gun. And I mean none whatsoever. My mother in law is neighbours to one. He thinks he's Wyatt Earp or something.

I would actually be ok with anyone who wishes to purchase a gun must complete a government certified training course. Not a tactical/combat type course, just one that teaches safety, the do's and dont's when handling a gun and explains the consequences if you mishandle it. Students would need to score 100% to pass. This would be in conjunction with other laws/regulations that go with purchasing a firearm.
 
TFC said:
Love the sentiment, but the highlighted is where it falls apart. There will never be any effort or commitment by any government to impose stricter gun control and if there is, it will be slapped down in congress. That people wont (not cant) see the wood for the trees is almost sadder than waking up and reading about mass shootings every other day.
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I agree :(
 
better dead than red said:
For what it is worth, I used to date a Soviet immigrant and what she's told me there wasn't a whole lot of moral compass guiding her former government's treatment of it's people.
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Putin and Trump. Both a pair of cunts. Maybe if we don't have scumbags running the place we can all be happier.
 
better dead than red said:
I also know people who have no business owning a gun. And I mean none whatsoever. My mother in law is neighbours to one. He thinks he's Wyatt Earp or something.

I would actually be ok with anyone who wishes to purchase a gun must complete a government certified training course. Not a tactical/combat type course, just one that teaches safety, the do's and dont's when handling a gun and explains the consequences if you mishandle it. Students would need to score 100% to pass. This would be in conjunction with other laws/regulations that go with purchasing a firearm.
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I was trying to think of workable solutions to and this style regulation always seems sensible. I would also make it rather more expensive to do, well like an annual license fee to cover a cop coming to check your storage, check your not living of beans and close to the edge etc or otherwise in the kind of trouble that could see you pick that gun up and do something stupid. Maybe you were Mr Normal but your wife left and your not coping well at all, if i was that local cop knowing you to a small extent it would raise flags for me, that kind of stuff.

Some areas could introduce kind of gun clubs where all arms are kept in a secure vault at this local place that has been built to a high security spec. Maybe 200 local guys say they would do that as they use it only for sport and in return for their cooperation they get some discount or other benefit, a few boxes of free ammo annually or something. Maybe some gun ranges already do this though i am not to sure on that.

We could not just have the cops trying to strong arm people though as there are whole communities armed to the teeth who would rather go down shooting than give them up. Those types are a big issue, they won't give an inch and are very hard to reason with. You would see a lot of innocent cops get blasted to when they are first just going to chat and ask, a few will shoot first if they think he is coming to discuss giving guns up etc. People would just hide them to.




A few decent docu's on these armed communities, scary shit as they all seem paranoid already to me. Some of them hate the state and seem like they would open up if someone flashed an official badge.
 
Eebo said:
It's not disputing the numbers is it? Just a lots of words trying to make this seem OK and not that big a deal for some reason.
Doesn't really matter what the reason for the shooting is, or how good or bad the people shot at are, it is still an insane amount of gun violence.
I understand that if you have lived in the US all your life you get desensitised to all but the extreme cases but the fact that there are 272 incidents where more 4 or more people are shot at is shocking to me living in the UK. Sorry I can't take that much comfort from the fact that on average only one person is killed in each mass shooting.

And then on top of that you have all the incidents where less than 4 people are shot at...giving annual casualty figures greater than a fairly serious regional war.
11,686 deaths so far this year, including 545 children under the age of 11.
23,717 people injured by guns

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
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Mate people also forget the fact that during the Vietnam War more americans were killed at home by guns than the 58,000 that died in Vietnam in the same period utter madness
 
Just seen the guns, indeed scoped, bump stock and extended mags. He could not have been more efficient if he tried.

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The Constitution of the USA is supposed to protect its citizens. Unfortunately I think more people die because of the Constitution than would die without it. Obviously just my opinion, but the Second Amendment has done that Country no favour's whatsoever.
 
TCIB said:
Just seen the guns, indeed scoped, bump stock and extended mags. He could not have been more efficient if he tried.

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Tee you obviously know more than me about guns, are those unfired rounds in the bottom picture? If they are, it looks like they've been scattered there for the sake of the pictures, possibly for the media's use, they've even managed to capture the lump hammer, which I assume he broke the windows with? in the photo.
 
Machiavelli said:
Tee you obviously know more than me about guns, are those unfired rounds in the bottom picture? If they are, it looks like they've been scattered there for the sake of the pictures, possibly for the media's use, they've even managed to capture the lump hammer, which I assume he broke the windows with? in the photo.
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Spent cases. There is a lot of brass on that carpet. Each one potentially a life.
 
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