Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

Watched it a few weeks ago and really liked it. There are a couple of things I could live without, like the fish nun things that live on Luke's island and the little greedy guy in the casino, but for me it has some of the best looking stuff in Star Wars. The light speed destroying of the ships was beautiful. I gasped in the cinema.The Snoke, Rey, Ren sequence was great especially as the room got destroyed and you could see how it was smoke and mirrors. The end sequence on the salt planet with the red surface was also amazing - I particular loved how they used it with the end saber fight and how it replaced the blood and gore that you couldn't show in a Star Wars movie.

The casino sequence is relevant to show how Finn develops from a guy just looking out for Rey to someone who is now an active participant in the rebellion. This is a big development for him and for the first time actually places the events of what is happening in a much wider context. People are made rich by the death Star killer bases and war that is happening - you know like in real life. It's also the first time you discover how bad living under imperial rule is. It's the first film to look beyond the end of a Skywalker's nose. It was probably the weakest sequence of the movie but still necessary.

Some of the major themes of the movie are hubris, failure and the humanness of heroes. If you don't see if through that lense it will cause issues. Luke's story will make little sense otherwise but luckily he explains it for us and then looks badass at the end.

Leia Poppins did look weird though.
 
Ghandi's Flip Flops said:
Err okay.
So please explain how Rey defeated Kylo without previously handling a light saber?
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The same way that Luke Skywalker went toe to toe with the strongest Force user ever based on 5 minutes with a droid and lifting some rocks.

The idea you need some long term training in the Force is prequel bullshit and is now, thankfully, being roundly ignored.
 
mrbelfry said:
The casino sequence is relevant to show how Finn develops from a guy just looking out for Rey to someone who is now an active participant in the rebellion. This is a big development for him and for the first time actually places the events of what is happening in a much wider context. People are made rich by the death Star killer bases and war that is happening - you know like in real life. It's also the first time you discover how bad living under imperial rule is. It's the first film to look beyond the end of a Skywalker's nose. It was probably the weakest sequence of the movie but still necessary.
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Damocles said:
This is the dumbest shit in this whole thread. Luke Skywalker took on the strongest Force user in the history of the Universe with "a few days training".



It's because it's wrong and the only reason people call her that is because she's female.
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Luke was badly beaten if I remember. But what I was referring to was that from the beginning of TFA to TLJ only a few days goes by. About 5 days I believe. In that time Rey goes from no force powers to extremely powerful. She uses the mind trick and the force pull without any training.

Luke started learning from obi wan. There is a 3 year gap between a new hope and ESB. I assumed he continued to practice during that time. Yet in empire he struggles to do the force pull. Even with Yoda he struggles. In my mind using the force is not a easy thing to do. It requires a lot of study and practice. Rey does not seem to need any.
 
Damocles said:
The same way that Luke Skywalker went toe to toe with the strongest Force user ever based on 5 minutes with a droid and lifting some rocks.

The idea you need some long term training in the Force is prequel bullshit and is now, thankfully, being roundly ignored.
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Not sure where you get Luke only training for 5 mins. Unless there's some specific timeline elsewhere i'm unaware of, most people got the feeling he spent more than 5 mins with Yoda etc. Also in the early films there was a perception given that 'the force' was firstly an inate ability passed on through a bloodline (otherwise what are the odds all the Skywalker clan have the ability), and secondly they became more powerful by training, guidance, mentoring and a honing of the skills over time (hence the Obi-wan/Anakin & Yoda/Luke padawan stuff etc).

Now with Rey's character arc it has shown all of this to be bullshit. Basically now anybody can be born with it, there's no discernment of how powerfully they'll be able to wield it plus the abilities it conveys literally appear at the flick of a switch. Things like Rey being able to fight like a master with a light sabre after hardly handling one previously is partly the reason the 'Mary Sue' accusations get thrown around.

You obviously seem to have some sort of downer with regard to the earlier films/episodes, so have no problem with seeing their legacy trashed to enable the franchise/storylines to move to new ground, but i find it understandable why some people are uncomfortable/unhappy with all the disconnects & inconsistancies.

I thought the film was okay/good and a steady 7/10. What i find more interesting though at the minute is the social discourse/debate surrounding the film. You've got the fanboys/EU's etc who aren't too happy, through to those who seem to think it's the second coming or the new marvel of modern cinema and won't accept any criticism about it.
Add in to the mix a Rotten Tomatoes critic rating of over 90% compared to an audience rating of around 50% (most other rating sites fall around the 3-3.5 out of 5), along with allegations of rating fixing from both sides, then numerous articles defending/trashing it for various reasons and it all becomes more entertaining than the film.
 
Silly film. Could of been the insanely good but the dialogue story and characters all suck. The visuals are great.
 
Damocles said:
The same way that Luke Skywalker went toe to toe with the strongest Force user ever based on 5 minutes with a droid and lifting some rocks.

The idea you need some long term training in the Force is prequel bullshit and is now, thankfully, being roundly ignored.
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Luke had some training with Obi, then self training at Obi's house then about 3 years later about a month with Yoda. Training is not prequel bullshit. "The force is strong BUT YOU ARE NOT A JEDI YET".
 
Was looking up reviews earlier and found this.

It's an absolute piss-take satirical review/ summary covering TFA & TLJ

If you are non-PC sensitive you're probably better to give it a miss.

 
Damocles said:
The same way that Luke Skywalker went toe to toe with the strongest Force user ever based on 5 minutes with a droid and lifting some rocks.

The idea you need some long term training in the Force is prequel bullshit and is now, thankfully, being roundly ignored.
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It’s some amount of time.

Luke develops a relationship with Yoda that’s a lot more than just a cameo and in Return of the Jedi he says to R2 that they’re “going to see an old friend”. This isn’t something you’d say just after a spending a week with someone.

He also got leathered by Vader, OK he landed one or two hits but Vader could have easily killed him.
 
Blue Maverick said:
I’m a young 48 ;) and the problem is I grew up reading the EU there were so many stories etc good ones that the stuff they put out pales into comparison. If I’d not read that stuff and how the characters developed maybe I wouldn’t have been as attached to them, I just think they missed the boat, the force has never really been used to it’s full effect battle wise and I think that’s what people like me wanted, shit been ripped up etc, that’s why the Vader scene in R1 was what everyone had been waiting for all those years, vader been badass.
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Speak for yourself.

Completely against the whole tone of a New Hope. Considering that a new hope starts a mere few hours after Rogue One ends the contrast between the two Vaders is stark, and completely out of sync. They are two different characters and the difference is jarring.
 
SergioSilva said:
As soon as Luke threw the lightsaber over his shoulder I knew this film was going to miss the mark and be quite forgettable.
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It's just an absolutely horrendous film. From that initial pathetic attempt at humour regarding a prank call - to the films premise being the Resistance are low on fuel. It's an absolute mess with no ounce of story telling. As for the Cantina part - that's as bad as the Gungan City scene in the Phantom Menace.
 
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