Liverpool (A) Post Match Thread.

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8 hours work in Liverpool? You get a gold watch & a party for doing that long there.

Something else I forgot to mention. Did anyone else pick up on Shearer's remark on MOTD2? He said something like "Liverpool played with pace and energy and they kept that up for 90 minutes, which most sides can't do". Interesting that they seem to be able to chase around for 90 minutes with those energy levels when we looked tired. Bit like Leicester a couple of seasons ago.
Not really that difficult, the Liverpool team has a full weeks rest and is very fit, they were all having glucose drinks in the 2nd half and the adrenalin of getting a few goals around the 60th minute kept them going. They were still pretty much dead on their feet on 80 mins mind. If Bernardo had come on a bit earlier I reckon we'd have got somthing out of that game.
 
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Are you drunk or on drugs?

You said we only had 4 days rest whilst they had 8 and that was the reason we lost, i pointed out that apart from 4 players all ours had roughly 8 days rest, you said we can't criticise them because they were suffering from fatigue, i said that's bollocks which it patently is.

Worse player on the pitch was Fernandinho, he had a good break, Gundogan was also as bad and i'd say he may have been tired but that's it.

If we want to win things we'll have to get used to playing every 4 days or so, it does show the squad needs additions though, need Sanchez asap.

Liverpool were fresher but that is one of several factors why we lost. Liverpool swamped us for 15 minutes or so and having one rested player like Fernandinho doesn’t make much of a difference if Liverpool are all over him.

Pep is right that we let the atmosphere get to us after the Scousers went 2-1 up and it quickly became 3-1. Unfortunately, Raheem and Stones were poor on the day but we only know in hindsight that the Forum scapegoats of Bernardo Silva and Managala would have been better bets.
 
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I was reflecting last night. I'm unhappy that we lost yesterday.
But we had to lose sometime, and I'm not really not unhappy that it happened like this. We were beaten fair and square by a burst of great football, compounded by some errors. It's not going to be bad for our players:

To stop talking about going unbeaten, and hopefully stop taking about the quadruple,
To be at the receiving end of some great pressing,
To realise that gap at the top in terms of quality isn't as great as the table makes it appear,
To be reminded that the margins of error are pretty small,
To get fairly beaten and learn from it now, rather than when it could really hurt us, ie in the latter stages of a cup or the CL,
To have a week to recover and get back to work.

Onwards and upwards!
 
Hard to pick out a good performance from the group.
Ederson finally having some costly mistakes that have been coming.
Gundagon and Ferna both having their worst performances of the year. Never want that to happen with 2 cms that are only cover to defense at the same time. Shows Ferna needs cover now. Cant play every PL and Champions League gave the rest of the year.
Thought Kev and Sane were only ones that were giving them a scare.
Sterling should never play vs Liverpool. Simple as that.
Most worrisome performance has to be from the 2 center backs. Flashbacks to last year. They weren't up for the pace of the game. Credit to Liverpool for that, but they didn't seem capable of making their decisions faster which got them into trouble way too often.
Aguero played like he didn't want to be out there. Never seen someone in a big game like that not seem to care. Didn't work for the ball, link up was poor with others, and when he had space he couldn't dribble by some mediocre defenders. He's a striker who seemed to want to drift out wide instead of being in the action
The story is that Sergio is carrying an injury which is why he hasn't been so sharp in recent weeks.
 
8 hours work in Liverpool? You get a gold watch & a party for doing that long there.

Something else I forgot to mention. Did anyone else pick up on Shearer's remark on MOTD2? He said something like "Liverpool played with pace and energy and they kept that up for 90 minutes, which most sides can't do". Interesting that they seem to be able to chase around for 90 minutes with those energy levels when we looked tired. Bit like Leicester a couple of seasons ago.
Don't forget we played Tuesday makes a difference with a high energy game like that.
 
Can tick that one off yesterday.

A terrible ten minute spell at the back just as we were starting to get on top at the other end.

Fernandinho had his worst game of the season, but he has been immense this year so you cant fault it.

I'd rather us lose like that than to the anti christ tactics we've come against this season that have nearly pinched something.

Fair play to Liverpool, they took their chances and pressed us with energy and pace. If the league becomes a two horse race over the next few years with Pep and Klopp playing that type of football then brilliant.

Despite our deficiencies we still nearly got something out of the game, the heads didnt drop and that is a good sign.
 
some poor performances and a 10 minute horror spell that gifted them 3 goals and we still looked like coming away with a draw at the end :)

there's fight in that there team.

seriously though, at 1-1 we hit the bar and looked on the ascendancy, shame it panned out like it did but there we have it.
 
Only positive I can find is last season it would of probably finished 5-1 or 6-1, team showed some fight in making it look abit more respectable. Oh and KDB is on another planet to anyone else on that pitch
 
4-3 really did flatter us and it shows just how vulnerable we are at the moment. Stones has come back looking like the defender we had last season. Danilo isn't a left back and won't use his left foot. Gundogan is so passive in these high energy type of games, he lacks any aggression to help us control the midfield. Sterling has a mental block whenever hes boo'd and struggles. Aguero is done for me, he doesn't fit this system and his decision to shoot at the end rather than pass sums him up.
 
In the cold light of day I don't feel too bad.

There was a period that pretty much decided the game, but it tells you a lot that we still had them sweating by the end. At 4-1 I was almost ready to cover my eyes, our teams of the past may well have folded and if we would have lost 5/6-1, then who can tell what effect that would have on the team's confidence?
 
They always used to say that about Spurs going to Anfield. They didn't win there from 1912 to 1985 and it's not like they were sending the same team for 70-odd years. The longer a run like that goes on, the more it must prey on the players' minds, even if they haven't played there more than once or twice. And despite knowing that they will come out of the blocks like Usain Bolt, we never seem prepared for it when we go there and always concede early.

For that first goal, Fernandinho lost possession far too easily, didn't make enough attempt to recover and no one covered the Ox's run, plus Ederson's positioning looked a bit suspect. I think he could have got out a bit more to narrow the angle.

For the second, I don't know whether it was a foul on Stones or not. It looked to me at the time like Firmino used his strength but Stones should never have let it get to that. If you watch the head-on camera view carefully you see he had his body between Firmino and the ball and was seemingly in a position to play it and move away from Firmino towards the touchline. Yet he alters the angle of his movement away from the ball & towards Firmino, possibly trying to block him off (which he obviously fails to do). It looked like he would have been better taking the ball on but he let it run. Did he think it was going through to Ederson? It was a shocking and lazy decision; he needs to be decisive and get the ball under control. Then, if he is fouled, the ref probably gives it but it ended up looking like a 50/50 physical tussle, in which Stones seems to be trying to obstruct his opponent but loses. Gareth Barry was so good at drawing a foul in those circumstances but Stones was very naive & indecisive.

I'd have taken 1-0 at half-time but was delighted when we went in level as I thought that would be a springboard for a much better second half but we lost our composure after that second goal. Had we not, we could well have got something. I do think Liverpool switched off a bit, thinking the game was won and it would have been hysterical if we'd got that 4th goal to get the point but yet again Aguero showed he has no idea about the offside law. Hard to single one person out among a sea of mediocrity but he really had a stinker.

The stats say we had 64% possession and 86% pass completion rate but it didn't feel like it. Apart from the odd burst by Sane, we were completely toothless up front for most of the game. Sterling needs to sort out his head at Anfield but he's no different to Nasri or Barry against their old clubs.

I'd also ask serious questions of our medical staff, which are the same questions I've been asking for some time. Kompany comes back and goes off injured straight away. Delph comes back and goes off injured straight away (having been allowed to play on yet again). Stones comes back from injury & doesn't look remotely near 100%. I've said this before but the doctor, Max Sala, was appointed by Mancini after the previous doctor, Phil Batty, was sacked for standing up to him over rushing players back too soon. Funnily enough our injury record when Batty was there was fantastic whereas it's been awful under Sala.

Good stuff Colin. Yes Stones felt that Ederson should have come for the ball and had a go at him after the goal went in. Everyone else knew that Stones should have cleared the ball.

Liverpool knee they could continue to press as we struggled to find a longer ball option with our cross field balls a bit hit and miss. We could have done with a more physical presence at centre forward to hold the ball up so that we could regroup. That’s not really our style though.
 
Keep calm and carry on, we lost a game, so what, it was bound to happen sooner or later, it will be a wake up call, nothing more, we will still be 12 clear once the rags take Stoke to the cleaners tonight...! The dippers had their cup final yesterday, nothing more nothing less, in the scheme of things, aside form giving those vile twats something to shout about, its a meaningless result.. Will we get a reaction against Newcastle, fuckin right we will, Come on City...!!!!
 
Not too upset really. Hopefully Pep will have them around a table right now saying something like: 'that's what can happen when we don't have it all our own way. Here's what went wrong. This is why it went wrong. This is how we fix it.'

If there was even a shred of complacency there won't be now. Can't wait for the Newcastle game
 
John Stones has come back and cost us a goal in all of his games.
Burnley, sliced the ball putting them through 1 on 1. Goal.
Bristol City, smashed into their attacker and gave away a silly pen. Goal.
Liverpool, out of position, out muscled. Goal.
The problem is they are all different reasons. He really needs to get back to what he can be as it just isn't good enough.

Also, Martin Tyler is so biased against us its untrue.
 
Not just there mate,Merseyside as a whole,never do well at Woodison,got to be some payback this time,especially after the hiding they gave us last season there
 

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