City to expand Etihad to 62,000?

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Silvas' left eyebrow said:
It wasn't a bad thing that you couldn't always see what was going on , on the pitch at Maine road though !
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I started in the family stand in front of that CCTV booth in the main stand and im pretty sure i couldnt see the goal most times i went. More often than not like you say, it was probably a good thing.
 
Emirates is my least favourite stadium because it is all about corporates with normal fans split and shunted out of the way so lacking in atmosphere. Wembley is similar but bigger. Matchday revenue is now dwarfed by tv and commercial money with atmosphere a key selling point so less priority on the corporate.

Lets hope City follow the trend and create a fans end in the North stand with safe standing. I am sure architects can come up with imaginative solutions that incorporate the current roofing.

My guess is our owners have been occupied with looking at the collar site as a whole so development is coherent and can be done at the same time. I am sure they will also be waiting to see how the Spurs ground works out to be sure we have a stadium as impressive as our team. Safe standing is also sure to come so better to specificaly design it with this in mind than adapt existing areas.
 
spiny said:
Emirates is my least favourite stadium because it is all about corporates with normal fans split and shunted out of the way so lacking in atmosphere. Wembley is similar but bigger. Matchday revenue is now dwarfed by tv and commercial money with atmosphere a key selling point so less priority on the corporate.

Lets hope City follow the trend and create a fans end in the North stand with safe standing. I am sure architects can come up with imaginative solutions that incorporate the current roofing.

My guess is our owners have been occupied with looking at the collar site as a whole so development is coherent and can be done at the same time. I am sure they will also be waiting to see how the Spurs ground works out to be sure we have a stadium as impressive as our team. Safe standing is also sure to come so better to specificaly design it with this in mind than adapt existing areas.
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It would be an architectural challenge, but there are so many other issues as well
There is as you a say the debate on safe standing and will it ever be brought into the English game. There are still so many more powerful people against it
What about the family stand and where would this be located!
The L2 corporate section behind the goal, City won't want to lose that revenue.

If the Club decides to go "one big end" will this mean that the better non padded areas of the stadium will be annexed for hospitality thus pissing off numerous supporters who have season cards for those areas and also supporters who like where they currently are seated who are booted out because of the relocation of the family stand
 
North stand redeveloped into one huge safe standing area would be mega.
 
dickie davies said:
It would be an architectural challenge, but there are so many other issues as well
There is as you a say the debate on safe standing and will it ever be brought into the English game. There are still so many more powerful people against it
What about the family stand and where would this be located!
The L2 corporate section behind the goal, City won't want to lose that revenue.

If the Club decides to go "one big end" will this mean that the better non padded areas of the stadium will be annexed for hospitality thus pissing off numerous supporters who have season cards for those areas and also supporters who like where they currently are seated who are booted out because of the relocation of the family stand
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These are the sacrifices the club has to make to finally create a proper atmospheric singing end/stand.

You can't stop the Etihad progressing and expanding because of the family stand and one corporate section.

Something's have to give.

Safe standing is a few years away yet, but most PL clubs now want it. There are still some clubs against it. Think Shrewsbury or another lower division club have put themselves forward to trial it in England. Even the Liverpool Hillsborough Group are now backing safe standing.

With 20,000 fans moving to a new NS single tier, there will be plenty of blocks available to relocate the Family Stand to. It doesn't have to be as big as the current one, as it's rarely full, if we're honest.

As for that corporate section. An additional 6000 fans or more, would match and pass the income lost from that one corporate section.

As things stand, what ever City do with the NS, and if they club want a safe standing section, which they do, that will only happen if the Family Stand is relocated, and the safe standing section is located at the bottom of a singled or double tiered NS.
 
jrb said:
These are the sacrifices the club has to make to finally create a proper atmospheric singing end/stand.

You can't stop the Etihad progressing and expanding because of the family stand and one corporate section.

Something's have to give.

Safe standing is a few years away yet, but most PL clubs now want it. There are still some clubs against it. Think Shrewsbury or another lower division club have put themselves forward to trial it in England. Even the Liverpool Hillsborough Group are now backing safe standing.

With 20,000 fans moving to a new NS single tier, there will be plenty of blocks available to relocate the Family Stand to. It doesn't have to be as big as the current one, as it's rarely full, if we're honest.

As for that corporate section. An additional 6000 fans or more, would match and pass the income lost from that one corporate section.

As things stand, what ever City do with the NS, and if they club want a safe standing section, which they do, that will only happen if the Family Stand is relocated, and the safe standing section is located at the bottom of a singled or double tiered NS.
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Do you think it’s possible for a big one tier stand to be constructed for the north stand? Surely it would mean that some of the stand would have to close during the season.
 
jrb said:
Bit of bump.

Nothing new.

But plans for Everton's new stadium including a Dortmund style yellow wall stand behind one goal have been released. Spurs are also doing something similar with their new stadium. United have the Stretford End. Liverpool have the KOP. We have the North stand waiting to be redeveloped. I think the redevelopment and design is obvious. One single safe standing stand. Leave the rest of the Etihad seating. 40,000 seating/20,000 safe standing (North Stand) split.

I sincerely hope the people running the club don't go for a 2 or 3 tier safe standing and seating option for any North stand redevelopment. As a club we have one more final chance to create a stand for the fans to stand and to support the team, while allowing other City fans who would prefer to sit and to watch the match to do so in the other 3 stands.

Early proposal of Everton's Proposed new stadium.

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If we have three tiers at the North Stand it’ll be a huge missed opportunity that we can never really go back in until we move grounds again (when will that be? In 100 years’ time?).

Spurs, now Everton, look like they’re going to have wonderful stadiums with proper stands for atmosphere. Ours on the other hand...

The only other thing I ever think of is going back to our roots and having what is the East Stand turned into a huge one-tier’d super stand along the side of the pitch like the Kippax used to be. But that’s so unlikely to happen. But it would be unique and individual to City. Not just going for an end like every other Tom Dick and Harry stadium.
 
What about a corporate standing section, this could include wider standing stalls with heated feet pads and hot air blowers with the usual corporate food and drink hospitality? They could (almost) experience what it's like to be a "real" fan
 
Its the main thing thats missing from the etihad. a proper home end. what we have now is a bit pathetic tbh. barely a few blocks with away fans in the middle of it. we don't need safe standing to build it either, just build a seated home end for now that can be converted. if it means people being moved then so be it, it would be worth it long term.

i agree with above, if we build the north stand like the south stand it would be a complete wasted opportunity and we will end up with 3 separate tiers with no proper singing end still. we have to be one of the only teams without a proper home end.
 
It will be good too see how good Spur's one tiered big end will be ? Personally I think it will be a bit of a gimmick at first ,but soon just turn into just another stand at the new White Hart Lane. It's not the stands but the fans that make the atmosphere ! Away fans don't seem to have a problem singing over the three tiers at our place .
 
dickie davies said:
It would be an architectural challenge, but there are so many other issues as well
There is as you a say the debate on safe standing and will it ever be brought into the English game. There are still so many more powerful people against it
What about the family stand and where would this be located!
The L2 corporate section behind the goal, City won't want to lose that revenue.

If the Club decides to go "one big end" will this mean that the better non padded areas of the stadium will be annexed for hospitality thus pissing off numerous supporters who have season cards for those areas and also supporters who like where they currently are seated who are booted out because of the relocation of the family stand
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One big end would also mean the whole stand being demolished and rebuilt and being closed for a season. How are you going to explain to the supporters who are likely to be out on their ear for a season? There are clearly nowhere near enough seats available elsewhere to relocate the entire North Stand. A lot would probably not come backnif they are treated that way.

All for a bit of self-indulgence for a few obsessives.

Build a third tier to the North Stand. Then think about moving the Family Stand up to the new third tier. That would give the Lower Tier to be used for conversion to safe standing as an initial move that could in future be extended to the Second Tier, although I suspect it would be snaffled by the Corporates.
 
JGL07 said:
One big end would also mean the whole stand being demolished and rebuilt and being closed for a season. How are you going to explain to the supporters who are likely to be out on their ear for a season? There are clearly nowhere near enough seats available elsewhere to relocate the entire North Stand. A lot would probably not come backnif they are treated that way.

All for a bit of self-indulgence for a few obsessives.

Build a third tier to the North Stand. Then think about moving the Family Stand up to the new third tier. That would give the Lower Tier to be used for conversion to safe standing as an initial move that could in future be extended to the Second Tier, although I suspect it would be snaffled by the Corporates.
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not necessarily. seen a few posts on here suggesting it could be done. even if that is the case i think you to think about the long term and the benefit a huge home end would give us. if we just build a third tier it will be exactly the same as the south stand and i think thats a completely wasted opportunity. you say about treatment, but the club have done it loads of times already , moving out the entire north stand and lots of people where the tunnel club is.

going off posts on here, the club are looking at possibly building one tier, so its not impossible.
 
HHSM has the best architects on the planet workin on projects here.

If the right brief is delivered we will have a phenomenal new stand & stadium wrap coordinating with the fanzone & collar site.

The pavilions & facilities they are currently constructing for UAE Expo 2020 are breathtaking !!

I doubt that safe standing will be allowed initially for the whole of the North End so expect it to be across the whole of the lower level. The balance of the North End could then be the CITY Singing End with graduated pricing from front to back.

The family section could be relocated to the right hand side of the South End with the rest ,upto the away fans, being allocated to anyone & everyone else including 24 hour walk ups.

There's plenty of capacity for displaced corporates from the middle of the current South Stand.

A dedicated,supervised walk way for away fans can go from the metro to the rear & left of Summerbees & twixt the car park & the East End into the away fans car park where they can be spray fumigated before being allowed in.

Ulrika !!
 
CrownPointBlue said:
HHSM has the best architects on the planet workin on projects here.

If the right brief is delivered we will have a phenomenal new stand & stadium wrap coordinating with the fanzone & collar site.

The pavilions & facilities they are currently constructing for UAE Expo 2020 are breathtaking !!

I doubt that safe standing will be allowed initially for the whole of the North End so expect it to be across the whole of the lower level. The balance of the North End could then be the CITY Singing End with graduated pricing from front to back.

The family section could be relocated to the right hand side of the South End with the rest ,upto the away fans, being allocated to anyone & everyone else including 24 hour walk ups.

There's plenty of capacity for displaced corporates from the middle of the current South Stand.

A dedicated,supervised walk way for away fans can go from the metro to the rear & left of Summerbees & twixt the car park & the East End into the away fans car park where they can be spray fumigated before being allowed in.

Ulrika !!
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What has the doggers punchbag got to do with it?
 
CrownPointBlue said:
HHSM has the best architects on the planet workin on projects here.

If the right brief is delivered we will have a phenomenal new stand & stadium wrap coordinating with the fanzone & collar site.

The pavilions & facilities they are currently constructing for UAE Expo 2020 are breathtaking !!

I doubt that safe standing will be allowed initially for the whole of the North End so expect it to be across the whole of the lower level. The balance of the North End could then be the CITY Singing End with graduated pricing from front to back.

The family section could be relocated to the right hand side of the South End with the rest ,upto the away fans, being allocated to anyone & everyone else including 24 hour walk ups.

There's plenty of capacity for displaced corporates from the middle of the current South Stand.

A dedicated,supervised walk way for away fans can go from the metro to the rear & left of Summerbees & twixt the car park & the East End into the away fans car park where they can be spray fumigated before being allowed in.

Ulrika !!
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You are Stan Collymore and I claim my £5
 
kev20971 said:
It will be good too see how good Spur's one tiered big end will be ? Personally I think it will be a bit of a gimmick at first ,but soon just turn into just another stand at the new White Hart Lane. It's not the stands but the fans that make the atmosphere ! Away fans don't seem to have a problem singing over the three tiers at our place .
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£1200 for a ST in that stand at WHL. Levy clearly taking advantage of those who want to be in the 'popular' end.
 
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