Jorginho

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if we get this guy he has a huge pivotal role to play. Hopefully trusting in Pep on this one....If he is the long term replacement for fern then the one thing that he doesn't seem to have is the mobility. This never harmed Gaz Baz however, whose intelligence made him a great defensive midfielder - however Barry loved a tackle and "put himself about" for want of a better way of saying it and I don't see that from this guy. We have the technical passers in our team (Silva Kdb Bernardo to name but a few) so even though his passing his clearly quality for me its not he highest priority in a player that we need at present.
 
simon23 said:
if we get this guy he has a huge pivotal role to play. Hopefully trusting in Pep on this one....If he is the long term replacement for fern then the one thing that he doesn't seem to have is the mobility. This never harmed Gaz Baz however, whose intelligence made him a great defensive midfielder - however Barry loved a tackle and "put himself about" for want of a better way of saying it and I don't see that from this guy. We have the technical passers in our team (Silva Kdb Bernardo to name but a few) so even though his passing his clearly quality for me its not he highest priority in a player that we need at present.
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That's often the problem: there's so much people don't see, even if it is there.

FWIW, if you want to compare Jorginho to Fern, Jorginho made slightly more tackles and interceptions in the league then Fern in 2017/18; he made far less ( presumably headed) clearances.

I don't profess to know how good Jorginho's defensive abilities are, nor do I claim to be an expert on this subject and have never studied individual players closely enough about it but I assume that you can be a very effective screen for the defence without making many tackles or interceptions but by taking up good positions and blocking passing lanes, thereby forcing opponents to go sideways or backwards. I do know from may days of playing that you could be effective defensively without touching the ball and, when playing n goal, I was forever telling my defenders to jockey their opponent.

So your example of GazBaz using his sports noggin (sic) could be very apposite.

I'm also sure that Pep will have considered all this and more - plus, if there is one position he knows about playing - so trusting in him is probably good idea :-)
 
OB1 said:
That's often the problem: there's so much people don't see, even if it is there.

FWIW, if you want to compare Jorginho to Fern, Jorginho made slightly more tackles and interceptions in the league then Fern in 2017/18; he made far less ( presumably headed) clearances.

I don't profess to know how good Jorginho's defensive abilities are, nor do I claim to be an expert on this subject and have never studied individual players closely enough about it but I assume that you can be a very effective screen for the defence without making many tackles or interceptions but by taking up good positions and blocking passing lanes, thereby forcing opponents to go sideways or backwards. I do know from may days of playing that you could be effective defensively without touching the ball and, when playing n goal, I was forever telling my defenders to jockey their opponent.

So your example of GazBaz using his sports noggin (sic) could be very apposite.

I'm also sure that Pep will have considered all this and more - plus, if there is one position he knows about playing - so trusting in him is probably good idea :-)
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Cant disagree with anything you say..one thing that came from the italy france game was he is clearly a leader. He was tellling others what to do and where to go (they just weren't doing it very well)
 
Dax777 said:
No!
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Don`t get the Weigl hype. He`s been absolutely horrendous every time I`ve seen him, and people who watches Bundesliga regularly also seem to confirm that. Won´t deny that he is a great passer and seems intelligent, but he`s also very slow, can`t shoot, doesn`t win headers, dreadful at defending and looks less physical than Foden, despite being 4 or 5 years older. Of every reported defensive midfielder targets we have been linked to the last couple months, he`s easily the worst one IMO
 
simon23 said:
if we get this guy he has a huge pivotal role to play. Hopefully trusting in Pep on this one....If he is the long term replacement for fern then the one thing that he doesn't seem to have is the mobility. This never harmed Gaz Baz however, whose intelligence made him a great defensive midfielder - however Barry loved a tackle and "put himself about" for want of a better way of saying it and I don't see that from this guy. We have the technical passers in our team (Silva Kdb Bernardo to name but a few) so even though his passing his clearly quality for me its not he highest priority in a player that we need at present.
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Every player in our team, from the goalie up, needs to be an excellent passer or the system breaks down. Pep knows what he's doing.
 
Delphinho said:
Don`t get the Weigl hype. He`s been absolutely horrendous every time I`ve seen him, and people who watches Bundesliga regularly also seem to confirm that. Won´t deny that he is a great passer and seems intelligent, but he`s also very slow, can`t shoot, doesn`t win headers, dreadful at defending and looks less physical than Foden, despite being 4 or 5 years older. Of every reported defensive midfielder targets we have been linked to the last couple months, he`s easily the worst one IMO
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He had a good breakout season and folks haven't readjusted to the current reality. He hasn't developed, been constistent or stayed injury free. He is the antithesis of what we should be considering.

He is an injury prone , stagnated young player who hasn't had a good season since his debutr season.

Yuk!
 
Dax777 said:
He had a good breakout season and folks haven't readjusted to the current reality. He hasn't developed, been constistent or stayed injury free. He is the antithesis of what we should be considering.

He is an injury prone , stagnated young player who hasn't had a good season since his debutr season.

Yuk!
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+1
 
Citizen_leo said:
I just dnt blv how bad we r at closing deals. Again allowing other teams in by haggling for a few millions. Txiki better not fuck this one up.
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We won’t pay extortionate wages that’s what the problem is,United will, Liverpool will,Barca and Madrid will,we won’t.
 
Buy Grealish and do what with him? He isn't a deep lying play maker, he isnt a defensive midfielder, he isn't a particular consistent play maker, so do what with him.
Play him instead of silva, fern and or debruyne?
There in lies the problem which is not just a city thing but fans across league.
The over media hyped shiny new thing syndrome.
Im sure with time Pep could have the boy playing to a standard but the same could be said of mark noble or herrara if they were playing under Pep.
Good pros but not for us and Grealish definitely fits into that category.
 
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