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Neville Kneville said:
I can't actually remember which ones used v.a.r. & which didn't. Tonight was corrupt imo

I just know they all should use it or none should, so, imo there have been loads of similar incidents given opposite decisions & it makes a nonsense of having it at all.
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Brilliant, just hyperbole then. Thought so!
 
Neville Kneville said:
Perhaps.

Maybe Mike Riley is a fully trustworthy person, along with Bobby Madley & Lee Mason & that fat old **** & the Altrincham fan etc.

So we can trust them with v.a r.
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United fans complain referees, as do other supporters from other clubs. Its not just as that think the FA has got something against us. It’s been a success this summer, I can’t wait for it to be implements in the prem.
 
Bluearmy said:
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Brilliant, just hyperbole then. Thought so!
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Why are you saying that ?

I've taken great trouble to describe exactly what I'm talking about, discussed the rules involved & my reasons for disagreeing with a decent number the decisions & the people the system relies upon.

I predicted the likelihood of an incident such as tonight prior to it happening & that when it did happen, it would be played down as being ok, when there should be uproar.

I think what we saw earlier, stinks like fuck yes.
 
That was 100% a pen today but was never going to be given against the host nation at that point of the game, very obvious imo.

Overall it improves the game but will still be open to abuse.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Why are you saying that ?

I've taken great trouble to describe exactly what I'm talking about, discussed the rules involved & my reasons for disagreeing with a decent number the decisions & the people the system relies upon.

I predicted the likelihood of an incident such as tonight prior to it happening & that when it did happen, it would be played down as being ok, when there should be uproar.

I think what we saw earlier, stinks like fuck yes.
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Facts my friend... or lack of.

To be fair that's not just directed at you. I've asked 3 or 4 people now who have said VAR has been terrible, or said the figures the IFAB have put out are rubbish. To give me examples of which specific decisions were incorrect via VAR and every time they haven't/can't. You just being the latest.
 
Manchester_lalala said:
I think you’re a tad paranoid.
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Or just an idiot desperate to go against the grain.

VAR is proving to be a bigger success than anyone imagined , this World Cup has been brilliant and VAR has played a major part. It’s cutting the cheating bollocks out massively. Sure needs some tweaking but fuck me, after decades of a Ref guessing this is massive relief.
 
Bluearmy said:
Facts my friend... or lack of.

To be fair that's not just directed at you. I've asked 3 or 4 people now who have said VAR has been terrible, or said the figures the IFAB have put out are rubbish. To give me examples of which specific decisions were incorrect via VAR and every time they haven't/can't. You just being the latest.
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The penalty given against Portugal was never a pen in a million years. VAR failed on that one. The pens against Kane in our first game weren’t given, they were both nailed on.
 
Although I will say that it appears to be a directive to not overturn a ref not originally giving it when it’s pulling in the box.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Give him more power, yes.

That makes sense.
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It may stop him being able to get away with the shocking decisions he has under the old system with no come backs.... gotta be worth a try.

It gives him less power as he and his cronies can never say they didn't see it....

They can't get more powerful that they are already.... they have absoloutly nothing policing them under the old system....
 
Rammy Blue said:
The penalty given against Portugal was never a pen in a million years. VAR failed on that one. The pens against Kane in our first game weren’t given, they were both nailed on.
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Youve not read my point correctly. I said of the decisions where VAR has been utilised. There's no doubt it's missed some, although one of the Kane's incidents wouldn't have been A pen as Stones fouled someone before Kane got fouled. One defo was tho, I agree and VAR should have been used. FIFA have hung that ref and the VAR team out to dry.. quite rightly.

Anyway, IFAB already stated the Iran penalty was incorrect against portugal. We've already discussed that. What I was asking if people are not willing to accept VAR got 18 out of the 19 decisions correct, according to The IFAB report which specific ones of the 18 VAR challenges the IFAB said were correct, were actually incorrect. Despite asking multiple times now, no one can come up with a specific example, other then the Iran one already confirmed as incorrect.
 
Jalfraag said:
There doesn't seem to be any need for facts in this debate, just the belief that Riley and his acolytes will continue to treat us fairly.
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I wasn't actually questioning its as a fact, I just hadn't heard that, and wondered if there was a link to it. That said if its true that some refs have been sent home for not using it correctly, then it can't be working perfectly as some say it is.

My stance is, and always has been, that it needs to be transparent to the supporters, and as such each decision (or non decision) needs to be heard on TV, exactly what is being discussed and why.

Not some faceless officials in a booth, doing whatever they want, without us seeing it.

For all we know the FSB (KGB for older viewers) officer could have been in that booth tonight for the decision in the final stages of the Spain v Russia game, we'll never know. The fact is I think it was the right decision in the end, as it wasn't a "clear and obvious" error, even though you can see a shirt being pulled, whether the ref saw it and bottled it (in the hope VAR would overturn it for him), or he genuinely didn't see it, the VAR team did look, and I want to know how that discussion with him went.
 
Bluearmy said:
Youve not read my point correctly. I said of the decisions where VAR has been utilised. There's no doubt it's missed some, although one of the Kane's incidents wouldn't have been A pen as Stones fouled someone before Kane got fouled. One defo was tho, I agree and VAR should have been used. FIFA have hung that ref and the VAR team out to dry.. quite rightly.

Anyway, IFAB already stated the Iran penalty was incorrect against portugal. We've already discussed that. What I was asking if people are not willing to accept VAR got 18 out of the 19 decisions correct, according to The IFAB report which specific ones of the 18 VAR challenges the IFAB said were correct, were actually incorrect. Despite asking multiple times now, no one can come up with a specific example, other then the Iran one already confirmed as incorrect.
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I was just replying to the post in front of me, I haven’t read the whole thread. I think VAR is great and in the long run can only benefit City due to the ridiculous number of times we get shafted by refs. Just the 2/3 incidents that VAR fucked up that instantly sprang to mind were the ones I listed.
 
cleavers said:
I wasn't actually questioning its as a fact, I just hadn't heard that, and wondered if there was a link to it. That said if its true that some refs have been sent home for not using it correctly, then it can't be working perfectly as some say it is.

My stance is, and always has been, that it needs to be transparent to the supporters, and as such each decision (or non decision) needs to be heard on TV, exactly what is being discussed and why.

Not some faceless officials in a booth, doing whatever they want, without us seeing it.

For all we know the FSB (KGB for older viewers) officer could have been in that booth tonight for the decision in the final stages of the Spain v Russia game, we'll never know. The fact is I think it was the right decision in the end, as it wasn't a "clear and obvious" error, even though you can see a shirt being pulled, whether the ref saw it and bottled it (in the hope VAR would overturn it for him), or he genuinely didn't see it, the VAR team did look, and I want to know how that discussion with him went.
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Ive not read one post saying it's worked perfectly. Anyone who said so would be an idiot. However, it's a vast improvement over the old system. The numbers back that up, despite still being far from perfect. It will never be 100%...

I do agree on your comments about needing to know what's going on. That needs to be improved for all involved. Collina has already said it needs to be more transparent, and that's really good to hear. expect mic'd up refs/var teams pretty quickly! The teams are putting the pressure on for this, along with the tv companies, so it most likely will come in. It's under his remit to continuously improve the system. Let's hope he's reliable...
 
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