Do Aliens actually exist ?

[snorky]

My anal probe is itching like fuck. Must be something on my wavelength.

 

[CityInWashingtonState]

I disagree with your opening salvo, but yes, and infinite universe (or multiverse) means 100% certainty of life existing elsewhere. But also 100% certainty that another earth exists with another Premier League and everything else that we experience, down to every last atom being the same. And then there's another solar system which is also indentical, but where 1 hydrogen atom moved slightly to the left. And another one, with another different hydrogen atom. in essence a near-infinite number of Earths, imperceptibly different from our own.

So when we start talking about infinite, the situation soon gets very silly indeed (if not mathematically possible).

You seem acquainted with the theory - but your subsequent remarks are puzzling.

I open my argument with the possibility - indeed the likelihood - that the universe is infinite - in some of the ways that it's infinite, sentient life might not exist beyond our planet - though, I think, extremely unlikely - in some of the ways that the universe may be infinite, other sentient lifeforms are guaranteed.

Probably sentient life is guaranteed in any universe where there is not some sort of constraint limiting intelligence to our own planet.

I think you're in much stronger position to suppose the following: in the observable universe, that is the universe we can view constrained by the speed of light and by the finite age of the universe, no life exists other than our own which is capable or on the cusp of interstellar transport.

I think that premise is highly unlikely too but it's at least tenable; perhaps this is what you are arguing.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

Of course aliens exist, I saw them on TV.

 

[mac]

My anal probe is itching like fuck. Must be something on my wavelength.

You must have drove past dewsbury.

 

[arfurclue]

To face, and be free of, the 'darkness' within one must be wiling to open to greater 'light.' In opening to greater light, one may encounter forms/concepts of life
that would be considered alien according to the awareness that was available in the previous level of light.

 

[snorky]

You must have drove past dewsbury.

I am fine now mate. I got the colander back on my head.

 

[citizen_maine]

I disagree with your opening salvo, but yes, and infinite universe (or multiverse) means 100% certainty of life existing elsewhere. But also 100% certainty that another earth exists with another Premier League and everything else that we experience, down to every last atom being the same. And then there's another solar system which is also indentical, but where 1 hydrogen atom moved slightly to the left. And another one, with another different hydrogen atom. in essence a near-infinite number of Earths, imperceptibly different from our own.

So when we start talking about infinite, the situation soon gets very silly indeed (if not mathematically possible).

Did we win the league?

 

[inchy14]

We could possibly be one step beyond them..

Sto talking madness!!

 

[Magicpole]

So anyone/anything that appears to be outside of your current level of open-mindedness is mentally ill, deluded, cuntish? Wow,lets all hold up Magicpole
as an example of the absolute peak of human potential and wisdom. Then again, maybe not.

Yes, yes, and yes. If you believe stuff that is utterly nonsense then yes. If you ignore your critical faculties and believe you’re talking to an invisible being, yes, you suffer from a mild mental delusion. I as a child suffered this too. It can be cured. If you believe there are aliens cutting about, you need help. If you believe lizard aliens in human form run the world you’re a Fucking headcase and need intensive therapy. If you believe aliens built the pyramids, you are cracked.

That doesn’t mean I’m the pinnacle of anything because people who believe that utter shite are mentally ill. It’s not an either or.

 

[west didsblue]

I would say that it’s almost inevitable that there’s intelligent life elsewhere in the universe and it’s also extremely unlikely that we’ll ever find it or it will find us due to the sheer scale of the universe.
If the universe was the size of the earth, the earth would be the size of the nucleus of an atom and any electromagnetic emissions from earth couldn’t be detected from further than a few centimetres due to the fact that the first transmissions have travelled just over 100 light years in a universe that’s 93 billion light years across. It would be like trying to find a single specific grape out of the trillions that exist that could be anywhere in the total volume of the earth not just on the surface.

 

[SWP's back]

I disagree with your opening salvo, but yes, and infinite universe (or multiverse) means 100% certainty of life existing elsewhere. But also 100% certainty that another earth exists with another Premier League and everything else that we experience, down to every last atom being the same. And then there's another solar system which is also indentical, but where 1 hydrogen atom moved slightly to the left. And another one, with another different hydrogen atom. in essence a near-infinite number of Earths, imperceptibly different from our own.

So when we start talking about infinite, the situation soon gets very silly indeed (if not mathematically possible).

One can have an infinite universe without invoking multiverse theory.

 

[arfurclue]

Yes, yes, and yes. If you believe stuff that is utterly nonsense then yes. If you ignore your critical faculties and believe you’re talking to an invisible being, yes, you suffer from a mild mental delusion. I as a child suffered this too. It can be cured. If you believe there are aliens cutting about, you need help. If you believe lizard aliens in human form run the world you’re a Fucking headcase and need intensive therapy. If you believe aliens built the pyramids, you are cracked.

That doesn’t mean I’m the pinnacle of anything because people who believe that utter shite are mentally ill. It’s not an either or.

So...for example, in the City team, the likes of Raheem Sterling and Gabriel Jesus are (I believe) practicing christians. According to you, this makes them mentally ill, deluded cunts - and you somehow believe that being this way makes you sane? Reflect on that, if you want.

 

[SWP's back]

So...for example, in the City team, the likes of Raheem Sterling and Gabriel Jesus are (I believe) practicing christians. According to you, this makes them mentally ill,

By most definitions, yes.

Also, he’s a Celtic fan so it’s probably no use bringing up City players.

 

[arfurclue]

By most definitions, yes.

Also, he’s a Celtic fan so it’s probably no use bringing up City players.

Just to be clear, are you saying that anyone that has an interest in divinity is mentally ill or something else entirely?
And, yes, I know he's a celtic fan but this is a City forum.

 

[Magicpole]

So...for example, in the City team, the likes of Raheem Sterling and Gabriel Jesus are (I believe) practicing christians. According to you, this makes them mentally ill, deluded cunts - and you somehow believe that being this way makes you sane? Reflect on that, if you want.

I was once that way too, you ask yourself this. 10,000 gods on the go, they have the right one or they are all fake? What are the odds? And how many times do they odds come in?

As I said, over half the world share the same belief in their version of the invisible man. It’s a collective thing. You are indoctrinated as a child and it’s hard to shake. Doesn’t mean it’s true though.

If you can get shut off your critical faculties and believe a snake talked, a woman got turned into salt, a man walked on water, a man split the moon in two, you are suffering a mild form of delusion. That’s just a fact. They are not alone though. Mores the pity.

 

[arfurclue]

I was once that way too, you ask yourself this. 10,000 gods on the go, they have the right one or they are all fake? What are the odds? And how many times do they odds come in?

As I said, over half the world share the same belief in their version of the invisible man. It’s a collective thing. You are indoctrinated as a child and it’s hard to shake. Doesn’t mean it’s true though.

If you can get shut off your critical faculties and believe a snake talked, a woman got turned into salt, a man walked on water, a man split the moon in two, you are suffering a mild form of delusion. That’s just a fact. They are not alone though. Mores the pity.

That you believe that your writing this is a sign of wisdom, I find astonishing. Sorry to hear that you had such a seemingly shit experience with Divinity. Have you ever questioned whether there is another side to it - that is not mad, abusive, controlling etc but genuinely loving, kind and liberating...not some war of dogmas but more an art of Life?

"The final Noble Truth is the Buddha's prescription for the end of suffering. This is a set of principles called the Eightfold Path. The Eightfold Path is also called the Middle Way: it avoids both indulgence and severe asceticism, neither of which the Buddha had found helpful in his search for enlightenment."

"Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it." Rumi

"NOT YET TICKLED

How did those priests ever get so serious
and preach all that
gloom?

I don’t think God
tickled them
yet.

Beloved— hurry."

St. Teresa of Avila

 

[Magicpole]

That you believe that your writing this is a sign of wisdom, I find astonishing. Sorry to hear that you had such a seemingly shit experience with Divinity. Have you ever questioned whether there is another side to it - that is not mad, abusive, controlling etc but genuinely loving, kind and liberating...not some war of dogmas but more an art of Life?

"The final Noble Truth is the Buddha's prescription for the end of suffering. This is a set of principles called the Eightfold Path. The Eightfold Path is also called the Middle Way: it avoids both indulgence and severe asceticism, neither of which the Buddha had found helpful in his search for enlightenment."

"Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it." Rumi

"NOT YET TICKLED

How did those priests ever get so serious
and preach all that
gloom?

I don’t think God
tickled them
yet.

Beloved— hurry."

St. Teresa of Avila

My cousin is a Buddhist and a lovely person. Of all them I like the tenets of it. It also doesn’t proclaim a god.

That’s the bit I find problematic, apart from the controlling, finger pointing from books that are pardon the expression, god awful.

The three main books are a catalogue of hate, murder, slavery, genocide, led by a psychotic, jealous, mass murdering, infantile, vengeful ****.

Those who have formalised it do it to co from. They are anti scientific, anti logic and prey on superstition and the human fear of death.

I prefer the universe and it’s beauty that doesn’t require a god that there is absolutely not one single piece of evidence for. I feel sorry for those still in it’s grip, feeling guilty for being human. I believe in the fact if evolution and hate how religions adapt to any scientific knowledge that pushes them back into woo woo land by claiming god did it all.

I detest how people praise god when a child is dug out of an earthquake forgetting g that under their belief he caused it.

I hate the discrimination people suffer because a book written by Bronze Age people who literally knew fuck all and whose moral code thought slavery was ok. Jesus himself reinforced this too.

I hate telling children they will burn in Hell. That Satan is real. That demons roam.

That Adam and Eve were real. Most of all I hate the fact that people believe it without a single shred of evidence.

I wouldn’t mind if they kept it to themselves, but they want to make the world vow to urs prejudices. To normalise them.

It’s all made up. An investigation of it clearly shows you need to detach your brain. That’s an insult to the human condition.

If you get anything from all that then good luck to you. For me the day we as a species realise this life is the only one we have and treat each other and all our fellow animals that we are connected to through DNA a bit better and throw all that shit out, the better we will all be.

 

[mancityvstoke]

Colin Bell is God

 

[Two Gun Bob]

The three main books are a catalogue of hate, murder, slavery, genocide, led by a psychotic, jealous, mass murdering, infantile, vengeful ****.

A Good sensible and articulate post:

 

[arfurclue]

My cousin is a Buddhist and a lovely person. Of all them I like the tenets of it. It also doesn’t proclaim a god.

That’s the bit I find problematic, apart from the controlling, finger pointing from books that are pardon the expression, god awful.

The three main books are a catalogue of hate, murder, slavery, genocide, led by a psychotic, jealous, mass murdering, infantile, vengeful ****.

Those who have formalised it do it to co from. They are anti scientific, anti logic and prey on superstition and the human fear of death.

I prefer the universe and it’s beauty that doesn’t require a god that there is absolutely not one single piece of evidence for. I feel sorry for those still in it’s grip, feeling guilty for being human. I believe in the fact if evolution and hate how religions adapt to any scientific knowledge that pushes them back into woo woo land by claiming god did it all.

I detest how people praise god when a child is dug out of an earthquake forgetting g that under their belief he caused it.

I hate the discrimination people suffer because a book written by Bronze Age people who literally knew fuck all and whose moral code thought slavery was ok. Jesus himself reinforced this too.

I hate telling children they will burn in Hell. That Satan is real. That demons roam.

That Adam and Eve were real. Most of all I hate the fact that people believe it without a single shred of evidence.

I wouldn’t mind if they kept it to themselves, but they want to make the world vow to urs prejudices. To normalise them.

It’s all made up. An investigation of it clearly shows you need to detach your brain. That’s an insult to the human condition.

If you get anything from all that then good luck to you. For me the day we as a species realise this life is the only one we have and treat each other and all our fellow animals that we are connected to through DNA a bit better and throw all that shit out, the better we will all be.

Thanks for this. I may not agree with all you write but maybe that is just the equivalent of Life wanting an orchestra that is not restricted to everyone playing the same instrument, the same way, at the same time. The first teachings I went into would be taoism - this speaks of 'merging with the tao' and might be similar to opening to the universe and its true beauty. Beyond that I have never been what many would call 'christian' and don't go to church. I don't much recognise what is taught there. However, at times I find teachings that may be called the way of Christ - and is essentially about 'remembering' that Love is our true nature, and that we just happen to have temporarily forgotten this, with the result that life can seem more like 'hell on earth' than 'heaven on earth.'

As for aliens? I don't know how I can possibly say in full certainty that they don't exist and I don't know what is beyond my current level of ignorance/awareness.