Leroy Sane - 2018/2019 performances

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OB1 said:
He didn't start the season on the bench, he started to Community Shield and came off with an injury. Anyway, this is what Pep said this weekend:

"In the past two weeks in training I've seen the Leroy that I know and we know. I am delighted about that. You know about his performances in pre-season, he arrived late and now he is getting back like Leroy is," said the City manager.

"We have six excellent strikers and not all of them can play. It is not about he is not playing because we are unhappy with his performance, it's because we have to choose and now Mendy is playing more wide. That is the reason why.

"He is ready with his physical condition. He doesn't need much time to get in better condition, it is not about that."
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Despite him having a full pre season he didn't start a single game and was hooked at half time after a dreadful first half against Chelsea. And yes I know what Pep said this weekend, still doesn't change the fact for the second summer in a row he arrived unfit to pre season. That doesn't seem very professional to me.
 
Clercqs said:
Despite him having a full pre season he didn't start a single game and was hooked at half time after a dreadful first half against Chelsea. And yes I know what Pep said this weekend, still doesn't change the fact for the second summer in a row he arrived unfit to pre season. That doesn't seem very professional to me.
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What is it that he did in his holiday that makes you deem him unprofessional and led to him being so "unfit"?
 
OB1 said:
What is it that he did in his holiday that makes you deem him unprofessional and led to him being so "unfit"?
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No clue whatsoever. All I know is that Pep has said he arrived in bad shape compared to the rest. And to clear things up I don't deem him unprofessional. I just think it's fair to question his professionalism.
 
It appears Sane isn't a player who can perform from a 'standing start' so to speak, as far as playing games go. It might be a mentality but he always seems to need a few competetive games to get his concentration levels up to speed.
 
super_city_si said:
It appears Sane isn't a player who can perform from a 'standing start' so to speak, as far as playing games go. It might be a mentality but he always seems to need a few competetive games to get his concentration levels up to speed.
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I just think he is trying too hard to make an instant impact when the ball comes to him, & fucking it up, imo due to not enough playing time.

It's fairly typical of what happens to academy players when they get a sudden chance or sometimes Jesus for Brazil when he gets his hourly return pass from Neymar or Coutinho.

Leroy was just settling down nicely when the game ended.
 
super_city_si said:
It appears Sane isn't a player who can perform from a 'standing start' so to speak, as far as playing games go. It might be a mentality but he always seems to need a few competetive games to get his concentration levels up to speed.
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I don't think he is a good sub,some players are just better as a starter
 
Neville Kneville said:
I just think he is trying too hard to make an instant impact when the ball comes to him, & fucking it up, imo due to not enough playing time.

It's fairly typical of what happens to academy players when they get a sudden chance or sometimes Jesus for Brazil when he gets his hourly return pass from Neymar or Coutinho.

Leroy was just settling down nicely when the game ended.
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could be that. He did have that great run at the end of the game. Hope he starts v Newcastle. he ripped them a new one last season.
 
Dipsis_LTU_MC said:
If he was playing regularly, he would get his form back but with Mendy in a team it doesn't look like Sane is gonna get a run of games any time soon. Sane isn't a wing-back, therefore, he can't play in a 3-5-2 formation against better oppositions because he isn't good defensively and he would be ineffective going forward from deep. 4-3-3 is what suits Sane but with Mendy fit and firing there is no place for Sane in a 4-3-3 because Mendy is unbelievably good going forward and he stretches the pitch as well. Sane isn't a tippy-tappy style of player, thus, he's ineffective when playing a bit more inside from the left flank. For instance, Sterling last season originally played on the right but most of the time he ended up in a box with Walker overlapping him. It's because Sterling is more of a tippy-tappy player than Sane is. Sane has to run at defenders with pace. Pep clearly doesn't want to play both Mendy and Sane on the left because offensively they're too similar. Sane won't play on the right flank either because Bernardo and Mahrez are there. I can only see Sane starting games if Delph starts ahead of Mendy. Last season Sane was in a same situation while Mendy was fit. He only cemented his place in a starting line-up once Mendy got injured and both Delph and Zinchencho weren't natural left-backs. I like Leroy a lot but it's such a shame that you have to adjust the system to suit Sane and not the other way round because Leroy is a bit too one dimensional.
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Had similar thoughts.

Would say pep could play him as the lead striker in the 352 as he did in our friendly against Liverpool where he scored a very good goal from a Bernardo pass playing as the secondary striker.

Yet, that’s 3rd behind Kun and Jesus.

Pep played him on the right a bit and I think like with Sterling I think he’s breeding them to play more as inside forwards on the alternate flank as that have for us in the past.
 
Neville Kneville said:
I just think he is trying too hard to make an instant impact when the ball comes to him, & fucking it up, imo due to not enough playing time.

It's fairly typical of what happens to academy players when they get a sudden chance or sometimes Jesus for Brazil when he gets his hourly return pass from Neymar or Coutinho.

Leroy was just settling down nicely when the game ended.
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I think this is spot on. You've seen the past two seasons, he starts a bit slowly and then kicks on. I would definitely want him playing at Anfield, so he needs a couple of starts before that to get attuned.
 
OB1 said:
If his attitude was questionable, Pep would not even have him on the bench with the squad we have and wouldn't have brought him on before Mahrez on Saturday.
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Possibly, but Sane is a pretty young player so Pep is going to treat him differently than an experienced player. Yet, If Sane doesn't make the bench at all that might become too much of a problem for a player of his talents/potential as it doesn't even give him a visible way to get back into the team and will very much look like he's being given a scolding. Look no further than at Ozil and Pogba to see how that is panning out so far.

Pep has to balance out the needs of the team in the short term with the needs of the long term, the latter of which includes the possibility of Sane, but of course in the way that Pep wants/needs him to be that is good enough.

I think he may want to show Sane he is still important, but perhaps wants something more from him before he gets to start regularly again, because he believes Sane is capable of more.

The rumours have been swirling about Sane's attitude for a little while so it isn't terribly shocking to me that they may have some validity to them, but due to his age and other positive factors that Sane has shown or possesses, he's not going to leave him completely off the team sheet just yet.
 
simon23 said:
its just an opinion. But also Pep has said a couple of times at the start of last season that Sane didn't work hard enough without the ball/when we are not in possession. He has said things like it is upto him (Sane) whether he is in the team or not. And he has clearly been dropped at the start of this year. Pep wasn't even that supportive of Sanes situation with being left out of the Germany squad...a lot of managers may have come out and said that he should be in there and look at Peps support for Sterling concerning the continued bashing of him by the media and England fans...nothing like that with Sane.....

Like I said its just an opinion however
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Yet by the end of the season he was the best in the team at working hard without the ball.

I think it’s more a confidence thing than an attitude thing.

There was an interview with Kyle Walker on Five Live last year where he kept being asked about de Bruyne, Silva and Sterling yet Walker said something like “yeah well it’s Fernandinho I always look at in training and I’ll tell you what Leroy Sané is the one to watch, he can be anything he wants if he believes it”.

For me, I want Sané in the team. Potentially a superstar there, potentially the best player in our squad, shown signs and pieces of skill so far in his City career that there’s even a future Ballon d’Or winner there.
 
Dipsis_LTU_MC said:
If he was playing regularly, he would get his form back but with Mendy in a team it doesn't look like Sane is gonna get a run of games any time soon. Sane isn't a wing-back, therefore, he can't play in a 3-5-2 formation against better oppositions because he isn't good defensively and he would be ineffective going forward from deep. 4-3-3 is what suits Sane but with Mendy fit and firing there is no place for Sane in a 4-3-3 because Mendy is unbelievably good going forward and he stretches the pitch as well. Sane isn't a tippy-tappy style of player, thus, he's ineffective when playing a bit more inside from the left flank. For instance, Sterling last season originally played on the right but most of the time he ended up in a box with Walker overlapping him. It's because Sterling is more of a tippy-tappy player than Sane is. Sane has to run at defenders with pace. Pep clearly doesn't want to play both Mendy and Sane on the left because offensively they're too similar. Sane won't play on the right flank either because Bernardo and Mahrez are there. I can only see Sane starting games if Delph starts ahead of Mendy. Last season Sane was in a same situation while Mendy was fit. He only cemented his place in a starting line-up once Mendy got injured and both Delph and Zinchencho weren't natural left-backs. I like Leroy a lot but it's such a shame that you have to adjust the system to suit Sane and not the other way round because Leroy is a bit too one dimensional.
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I’m not sure about this. I think sane is great in a 433 with Mendy...because while yes Mendy stretches the pitch once things are settled in and around the box and is great with overlaps and crosses, he can’t come close to - or would be positioned to - stretch it in the way sane can on the break and from general changes of possession. Happened all the time last year. Happened against Huddersfield this year. And whatever his problem is I hope it gets fixed because i think we’d have been better set against wolves if he’d been on the left and sterling on the right with aguero (or Jesus) in the middle.

We had a ton of tap ins last year because sane and sterling would constantly get in behind...and the threat was constant on both sides.

It’s such a great feature to the attack, especially against teams inclined to play a little.

So strange to me that people seem willing to overlook how vital he is to space-creation and general problem-causing.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Yet by the end of the season he was the best in the team at working hard without the ball.

I think it’s more a confidence thing than an attitude thing.

There was an interview with Kyle Walker on Five Live last year where he kept being asked about de Bruyne, Silva and Sterling yet Walker said something like “yeah well it’s Fernandinho I always look at in training and I’ll tell you what Leroy Sané is the one to watch, he can be anything he wants if he believes it”.

For me, I want Sané in the team. Potentially a superstar there, potentially the best player in our squad, shown signs and pieces of skill so far in his City career that there’s even a future Ballon d’Or winner there.
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Yep Sane needs game time. I appreciate he was poor on Saturday when he came on but a fit, confident Sane in full flow should be in our starting 11.

Just look at the assists he had last season which tells you the impact he has on the side
 
Afterthefact said:
I’m not sure about this. I think sane is great in a 433 with Mendy...because while yes Mendy stretches the pitch once things are settled in and around the box and is great with overlaps and crosses, he can’t come close to - or would be positioned to - stretch it in the way sane can on the break and from general changes of possession. Happened all the time last year. Happened against Huddersfield this year. And whatever his problem is I hope it gets fixed because i think we’d have been better set against wolves if he’d been on the left and sterling on the right with aguero (or Jesus) in the middle.

We had a ton of tap ins last year because sane and sterling would constantly get in behind...and the threat was constant on both sides.

It’s such a great feature to the attack, especially against teams inclined to play a little.

So strange to me that people seem willing to overlook how vital he is to space-creation and general problem-causing.
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I know what you mean. Of course Sane has more skills and tricks under his sleeve than Mendy, he's better at space-creation but they both position themselves similarly on that left flank. As a result, they would interfere with one another if they find themselves in the same area on the left flank. When Sane came on as a substitute against Huddersfield he played in a more inside position closer to the box and Mendy was still the one who stretched the pitch. When Sane stayed out wide, Mendy didn't join him and stayed close to Laporte maintaining a back 4 or back 3. Basically, they're too similar to operate on the same flank and when Sane is pushed a bit more inside he's not the most efficient because to be able to play as an inside forward/winger you have to be a tippy-tappy kind of player who's got great close ball control and tippy-tappy touches like Merlin or Bernardo because you'll be surrounded by 5-6 opposition players. Sterling last season placed himself in a box more often because Walker was overlapping him and if Raheem had stayed out wide with Kyle, they would have been interfering with each other. Pep doesn't play Sane from the start for a reason and that reason is Mendy. To prove me wrong Pep has to start both Mendy and Sane and if they work together, then I'll be the one who's talking bollocks.
 
Dipsis_LTU_MC said:
I know what you mean. Of course Sane has more skills and tricks under his sleeve than Mendy, he's better at space-creation but they both position themselves similarly on that left flank. As a result, they would interfere with one another if they find themselves in the same area on the left flank. When Sane came on as a substitute against Huddersfield he played in a more inside position closer to the box and Mendy was still the one who stretched the pitch. When Sane stayed out wide, Mendy didn't join him and stayed close to Laporte maintaining a back 4 or back 3. Basically, they're too similar to operate on the same flank and when Sane is pushed a bit more inside he's not the most efficient because to be able to play as an inside forward/winger you have to be a tippy-tappy kind of player who's got great close ball control and tippy-tappy touches like Merlin or Bernardo because you'll be surrounded by 5-6 opposition players. Sterling last season placed himself in a box more often because Walker was overlapping him and if Raheem had stayed out wide with Kyle, they would have been interfering with each other. Pep doesn't play Sane from the start for a reason and that reason is Mendy. To prove me wrong Pep has to start both Mendy and Sane and if they work together, then I'll be the one who's talking bollocks.
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Don't agree with this at all. Sane has been very effective in more central positions. As for great ball control, you haven't seen his runs where he takes half the opposition side out? He can look clumsy at times when he is out of touch and that tends to be the case early in the season, but when he is on, his ball control is tremendous.
 
I'd be tempted to play him as an alternative to Aguero or Gabby occasionally,with Mahrez and Sterling supporting and fed by the Silva's.
 
I can't wait to Sane and Mendy playing together. They can both go inside and outside. Their interplay in the (buried in history) 5-0 thrashing of Liverpool, was superb.
 
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