Religion

vmsuhail said:
How do those "people" knew what they were creating or conspiring about would become a major religion in their lifetime. ?
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In the case of Christianity, they ruled a big fuck off European, North African and Middle Eastern empire and they were fairly confident it would catch on when people had weighed up the alternative of torture and crucifixion.
 
better dead than red said:
Don't mind them. Christians are easy targets in their mind. It'll typically be a long wait before most of them mock the prophet of Islam. (pbuh).
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Islam, Judaism, Christianity... they're all a load of old shite. A made up God and made up prophets and made up stories in ridiculous books that should all be set on fire and never printed again. If they won't take it that far at the very least the word "religion" should be banned and it should all be called "mythology".

In modern society, people who come out with bollocks as far fetched as religion, i mean mythology, are often sectioned!
 
feelymcfeel said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_schizophrenia - there are plenty of big hitters on there that have inspired millions I've no doubt.

Isn't the whole point of a palindrome the fact it is identical forwards and backwards? How could you possibly lose the meaning of something that is identical whichever way you read it? The word CIVIC is palindromic in English. The fact that a word or phrase is palindromic is also completely irrelevant to this discussion.

Also, you are aware that the Caliph Uthman actually took differing versions of the Qu'ran and standardised it? Mohammed did not write it, he heard voices and other people wrote it down.
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What I meant by "losing the meaning" is in context of creating a palindrome. Meaning if I try to intentionally create a palindrome for a phrase I wanted to write down, it's nearly impossible to do so. I gave the example of the palindrome to convey the idea of a "style + content".

Yes, I'm aware of Caliph Uthman (ra)'s work, but the Qur'an was primarily preserved as an oral tradition by memorization starting with Muhammad(pbuh) himself. It was only after Islam spread to Iraq, people starting disputing over dialects and hence the decision to standardise the text in Quraysh dialect was taken.
 
aguero93:20 said:
In the case of Christianity, they ruled a big fuck off European, North African and Middle Eastern empire and they were fairly confident it would catch on when people had weighed up the alternative of torture and crucifixion.
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Isn't it easier to believe Jesus existed based on New Testament records, records of Josephus, Tacitus and the history of the church, rather than deny his existence based on a conspiracy theory for power and control by creating a fictional character. ?
 
vmsuhail said:
Isn't it easier to believe Jesus existed based on New Testament records, records of Josephus, Tacitus and the history of the church, rather than deny his existence based on a conspiracy theory for power and control by creating a fictional character. ?
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You should look into the Council of Nicaea, the convenor (Constantine I) wasn't a Christian.
 
aguero93:20 said:
You should look into the Council of Nicaea, the convenor (Constantine I) wasn't a Christian.
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It's after 300 AD, by then Christianity was already the dominant religion in his empire. It isn't far-fetched to assume Constantine I was inspired by the Christian faith.
 
vmsuhail said:
It's after 300 AD, by then Christianity was already the dominant religion in his empire. It isn't far-fetched to assume Constantine I was inspired by the Christian faith.
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The point of the ecumenical councils was to standardise different versions of Christianity. How can man decide which scripture is right and which isn't. You can't pick and choose God's word to suit your own needs, which is precisely what they did.

The whole thing is utter bullshit of the highest order.
 
vmsuhail said:
Isn't it easier to believe Jesus existed based on New Testament records, records of Josephus, Tacitus and the history of the church, rather than deny his existence based on a conspiracy theory for power and control by creating a fictional character. ?
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Not even slightly.

New Testament records!!?!! Fucking stroll on. It was written a few hundred years after “his” death.

Why would you believe he existed any more than Zeus or fucking Thor?
 
SWP's back said:
Why would you believe he existed any more than Zeus or fucking Thor?
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Actually, I went through a period of bloody awful insomnia a couple of years back. I prayed to all of the Gods and the only time I slept soundly was after I prayed to Hypnos. Praise Zeus.
 
feelymcfeel said:
The point of the ecumenical councils was to standardise different versions of Christianity. How can man decide which scripture is right and which isn't. You can't pick and choose God's word to suit your own needs, which is precisely what they did.

The whole thing is utter bullshit of the highest order.
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When a religion expands to new boundaries, over time it's possible that new ideas and interpretations come into it and sometimes skew the original doctrine. Most of the time the message is orally transmitted as the people are illiterate and do not have a copy of the scripture like we have today. The leaders and scholars of the faith has a responsibility to put it straight leading to the councils.
 
vmsuhail said:
When a religion expands to new boundaries, over time it's possible that new ideas and interpretations come into it and sometimes skew the original doctrine. Most of the time the message is orally transmitted as the people are illiterate and do not have a copy of the scripture like we have today. The leaders and scholars of the faith has a responsibility to put it straight leading to the councils.
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It’s always good to get one message when controlling the populace.
 
vmsuhail said:
It's after 300 AD, by then Christianity was already the dominant religion in his empire. It isn't far-fetched to assume Constantine I was inspired by the Christian faith.
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It was one of many and split into many different versions. The Bible was his chance to control the narrative and after the Council Christianity was the only religion in the Empire.
 
SWP's back said:
Not even slightly.

New Testament records!!?!! Fucking stroll on. It was written a few hundred years after “his” death.

Why would you believe he existed any more than Zeus or fucking Thor?
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Isn't that based on the manuscripts we have available now ? It doesn't mean the idea of Christianity originated after a few hundred years AD. I don't know about Zeus other than some vague memory of a Greek God.
 
vmsuhail said:
Isn't it easier to believe Jesus existed based on New Testament records, records of Josephus, Tacitus and the history of the church, rather than deny his existence based on a conspiracy theory for power and control by creating a fictional character. ?
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There are many different people called Jesus or names similar to Jesus (don't forget Jesus is our version of the Greek Ἰησοῦς "Iēsous"). Stories from an array of Jesuses have been put into the back catalogue of accounts to the one Jesus we all know.

There are stories about Jesus, or ones ever so slightly changed, adopted from many actual historical people called: Yeshua bin Nun, Jesus ben Phiabi, Yehoshua ben Sec, Jesus ben Damneus, Jesus ben Gamaliel, Yeshua bin Sirach, Jesus ben Pandira, Jesus ben Ananias, Jesus ben Saphat, Jesus ben Gamala, Jesus bin Thebuth with exact accounts from exact times written about them all with as wide range a time frame as 180BC to 69AD. But there is nothing as exact on anyone called Jesus/Joshua/Yehoshua/Yeshuas/Yahweh of Nazareth or Christ or Christus. EVERYTHING is after the "fact" with him.

And like i said a number of pages ago, the main stories of Jesus follow the solar and celestial year. As the Sun passes through one constellation to another a story about Jesus pops up related to Aquarius (baptised in water), Pisces (gets his disciples from fisherman), Aries (becomes a shepherd, even if figuratively)...

The big gist of the Jesus story is told in earlier religions about Buddha, Krishna, Oddyseus, Romulus, Dionysus, Heracles, Glycon, Zoroaster, Attis, Mythra, Horos... and many more... all before the Jesus of Nazareth or Christ was made up.

The more you delve into it, the more it seems that every single thing about him, and most probably him, is all just made up!
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
People who realised that having a major religion allowed you to have power and control.
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The Romans tortured and killed Christians. Why on earth would they invent Christianity just to kill everyone who converted to it? It doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. I’m an atheist because that’s where reason leads me to but in this case, the most reasonable explanation for the birth of Christianity is that there was some charismatic Jim Jones/Osho type figure who people adored and worshipped. That’s not to say he could break the laws of physics or to say he was the son of God. But it’s to say that that’s a far more sensible explanation than saying it was invented to sow obedience when the Romans hated the idea that people thought there was a more powerful figure than them and such disobedience was punishable by death. The evidence that Jesus existed is small by modern standards but apply the same standards to most other pre-printing press figures and almost none of them can be proven to exist.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
There are many different people called Jesus or names similar to Jesus (don't forget Jesus is our version of the Greek Ἰησοῦς "Iēsous"). Stories from an array of Jesuses have been put into the back catalogue of accounts to the one Jesus we all know.

There are stories about Jesus, or ones ever so slightly changed, adopted from many actual historical people called: Yeshua bin Nun, Jesus ben Phiabi, Yehoshua ben Sec, Jesus ben Damneus, Jesus ben Gamaliel, Yeshua bin Sirach, Jesus ben Pandira, Jesus ben Ananias, Jesus ben Saphat, Jesus ben Gamala, Jesus bin Thebuth with exact accounts from exact times written about them all with as wide range a time frame as 180BC to 69AD. But there is nothing as exact on anyone called Jesus/Joshua/Yehoshua/Yeshuas/Yahweh of Nazareth or Christ or Christus. EVERYTHING is after the "fact" with him.

And like i said a number of pages ago, the main stories of Jesus follow the solar and celestial year. As the Sun passes through one constellation to another a story about Jesus pops up related to Aquarius (baptised in water), Pisces (gets his disciples from fisherman), Aries (becomes a shepherd, even if figuratively)...

The big gist of the Jesus story is told in earlier religions about Buddha, Krishna, Oddyseus, Romulus, Dionysus, Heracles, Glycon, Zoroaster, Attis, Mythra, Horos... and many more... all before the Jesus of Nazareth or Christ was made up.

The more you delve into it, the more it seems that every single thing about him, and most probably him, is all just made up!
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That's quite a long list of stuff to research into.

Bart Ehrman, famous scholar on NT textual criticism puts forward this argument : "The Messiah was supposed to overthrow the enemies – and so if you're going to make up a messiah, you'd make up a powerful messiah," he says. "You wouldn't make up somebody who was humiliated, tortured and the killed by the enemies."
 
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