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Oh - you still not figured out that there might have been something 'before' the Big Bang? Like where, if it happened, didI think he has time travelled from the 16th century.
it actually originate from? Will leave you to search through your beloved scientific textbooks to find the answer to that one.
But, yeah trust those fucker because they know everything and their knowledge 'trickles down' to everyone, just like the money does
in the corresponding economic model. Actually I do some scientists a disservice, for there are many that are truly open to the wonders and mysteries of Life.
These I find well worth listening to ,even if I might not always agree with them. What about you?
And that is your way of choosing to be with life. Might others choose otherwise, as to come to know the Lennonist world that you speak of? Or is your doctrine the only one that will work this way? And would it be fair for me to question whether you are really talking about letting go of dogma/doctrine or whether what you are more talking about, is being against 'religious' dogma/doctrine but for 'scientific' dogma/doctrine? These may not be the same arguments - yet you can choose your way, I can choose mine. Just, if you wanted to clarify which position you support, this might make communication easier?
one is based around something we know about the other is around something we don't, the one we do is beautiful,astounding it all its guises and supports everything we see,do and are
the other to my mind does nothing of the sort
Oh - you still not figured out that there might have been something 'before' the Big Bang? Like where, if it happened, did
it actually originate from? Will leave you to search through your beloved scientific textbooks to find the answer to that one.
But, yeah trust those fucker because they know everything and their knowledge 'trickles down' to everyone, just like the money does
in the corresponding economic model. Actually I do some scientists a disservice, for there are many that are truly open to the wonders and mysteries of Life.
These I find well worth listening to ,even if I might not always agree with them. What about you?
nobody knows that yet, nobody
That's music for my heart. Cheers.one is based around something we know about the other is around something we don't, the one we do is beautiful,astounding it all its guises and supports everything we see,do and are
the other to my mind does nothing of the sort
And maybe this is what is being suggested - like this is a problem that cannot be solved by the intellect.nobody knows that yet, nobody
So no one dogma/doctrine could ever truly be better than another. So maybe just drop it and find
a way to live and share and play in a way beyond this.. a way that some might call of 'the heart.
Maybe this the joining that John was speaking of, beyond beliefs in this or that?'
Banned Tosspot
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Do you do after dinner talks?
Not for money, and only when I am not too pissed...or maybe only when I get too pissed? One of the two...Do you do after dinner talks?
I dunno, it all gets a bit confusing....
Bigga
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My friend, I'm with you and have been saying the kind of thing you've been saying for years, on these boards... Just nowhere as eloquently!!
It's interesting in its process, that you look at things without filing them 'A- Z', much like myself.
Also agreed. There are MANY 'intellects' on here that surprise me in their rigid few on how religion/belief and science stand. And, many times I've pointed out that there are LOADS of scientists that don't dismiss religion/ belief just because science exists. Even Neil Degrasse Tyson says he's agnostic, not an atheist.
So, I wonder, with the quoted words, why people don't literally pick it apart, like they do with the Bible!??
I wonder if it's because you can only explain things so much with the limitation of words...??
No, just a student that would really enjoy it if there were others around that might want to explore something beyond writing
as just dogmatic adherence to one set of beliefs or another. A practice that would be more like an art, if you want - rather than just a theoretical
science, religion or even debate about football.
It's interesting in its process, that you look at things without filing them 'A- Z', much like myself.
Putting aside ideas of 'science is right, religion is wrong,' is life that is stuck to theory in such a way as to get in the way
of deeper knowing of qualities such as beauty, joy, rhythm, harmony, balance etc...really such a wonderful idea? Is like
spending time only trying to understand honey, without actually tasting it?
Also agreed. There are MANY 'intellects' on here that surprise me in their rigid few on how religion/belief and science stand. And, many times I've pointed out that there are LOADS of scientists that don't dismiss religion/ belief just because science exists. Even Neil Degrasse Tyson says he's agnostic, not an atheist.
Beautiful. And "
“I'm not afraid of death because I don't believe in it.
It's just getting out of one car, and into another.”
What if the ideas he doesn't believe in are the 'cars?' They can be helpful for a while but then they come
to be a distraction (of my car is better than yours) rather than that which helps open to a deeper
genuine humanity - the simplicity of we really are, expressed through our own lives. And yet it also implies that there is a space
between the cars - maybe this is the shared essence of Life?
So, I wonder, with the quoted words, why people don't literally pick it apart, like they do with the Bible!??
I wonder if it's because you can only explain things so much with the limitation of words...??
Cheers. Words are by nature limited aren't they - like they have a beginning and an end. How could they show, one way or the other, whether there is a limitless life? Might try to write about it, describe theories, even point to something beyond themselves But show? Can words even wholly show and explain the space between them? I might use the word 'space' to try and explain it but now this is no longer spacious in nature because I've placed a word where space once was, Humbling for an intellect that may claim to be able to explain everything -'if they could just find the right words.' Beyond that there is a suggestion that the intellect needs to define 'friendly' words and 'enemy' words.The friendly words are good and need to be protected but the enemy words play an important role too - for without something to fight against, the mind might quieten down and one might come to know for oneself the peace beyond any intellectual conflict of words...in this way, it'll lose its power.My friend, I'm with you and have been saying the kind of thing you've been saying for years, on these boards... Just nowhere as eloquently!!
It's interesting in its process, that you look at things without filing them 'A- Z', much like myself.
Also agreed. There are MANY 'intellects' on here that surprise me in their rigid few on how religion/belief and science stand. And, many times I've pointed out that there are LOADS of scientists that don't dismiss religion/ belief just because science exists. Even Neil Degrasse Tyson says he's agnostic, not an atheist.
So, I wonder, with the quoted words, why people don't literally pick it apart, like they do with the Bible!??
I wonder if it's because you can only explain things so much with the limitation of words...??
Edit : ps it feels like it boils down to some wanting to prove the supremacy of intellect, others want to let go of the arrogance of intellect that gets in the way of feeling grounded and open to the kindness of the heart. These seem to be quite different ways. Beyond that, more aNd more it is coming to feel that english football fan culture (maybe english culture in general) is rooted in the idea that arrogance is strength - though it might try to label this arrogance as 'truth'. Doesn't seem such a great deal but I still buy into it at times 'this is what it is to be a fan, this is what it means to be english...'
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goater555
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Here's an idea..
Let's flood this country with a bunch of brainwashed middle easten soldiers.
Let's flood this country with a bunch of brainwashed middle easten soldiers.
BlueHammer85
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Does ANYONE know what he's going on about???.......
Utter moron. I’m sorry. But one of the most tedious posters I’ve ever seen on my 7+ years on here. Avoids difficult questions and deflects his answers about something completely different before waffling on about art and spiritual guidance and pretty much any words he can think of, complete mumbo jumbo and I’m surprised many are trying to have a rational debate with him - maybe I’m wrong and somewhere amongst his waffle he has a point, probably just a WUM.
Would you wan to try something? A question. When you have a fearful thought might this be expressed through the body in some way, might it bring a certain kind of experience? The same with anger, sadness, happiness. Isn't this what happens with actors that attempt convey emotions - not just by saying I am this or that but through the way the body, moves, maybe tone of voice, posture, how they relate with another actor etc etc?Utter moron. I’m sorry. But one of the most tedious posters I’ve ever seen on my 7+ years on here. Avoids difficult questions and deflects his answers about something completely different before waffling on about art and spiritual guidance and pretty much any words he can think of, complete mumbo jumbo and I’m surprised many are trying to have a rational debate with him - maybe I’m wrong and somewhere amongst his waffle he has a point, probably just a WUM.
So what if we learn to unwitting act upon arrogant thoughts - would this create a range of experience? What if suggested that it is possible to become aware of arrogance and let go of it and so be able to know experiences and ways of acting in life that are beyond this. And you don't have to agree with this but what if this lead to a sense of feeling grounded in which trouble begin to melt away - no need to fix them or try to escape them. So what if, for example, someone has so much pain from their troubles that they reached out for the oxycontin and then slowly became addicted to the fix it gave? Might his then free them? To take another example - what if someone was troubled by the idea that immigrants were attacking their englishness - how might they then choose to act? What if it is more the case that what they think of as englishness is actually a way of arrogance that is keeping their sense of troubledness nailed in place - nothing to do with immigrants. How might they then act?
Beyond that then yes I haver found the process of art to be something similar. You may find it boring, fair enough. But one thing I really enjoy is that in letting go of arrogance I feel a rootedness, (like a solidity that can be fluid) and when there might be storminess or chaos around I can just watch it, maybe move with it but it won't unbalance me. I don't know what will happen in the world but with what is going on with the likes of Trump and America and even politics in europe - i'd rather be able to feel this rootedness than not. Is practical this way.
And maybe this is what is being suggested - like this is a problem that cannot be solved by the intellect.
So no one dogma/doctrine could ever truly be better than another. So maybe just drop it and find
a way to live and share and play in a way beyond this.. a way that some might call of 'the heart.
Maybe this the joining that John was speaking of, beyond beliefs in this or that?'
why would we do that,suppress the human condition, it is only a problem we haven't solved yet
your method does not solve anything only your own well being(which is fine and dandy)
Thanks. I'm not sure that I'm talking about suppressing the human condition. I don't know if this something you have known but for me I might havewhy would we do that,suppress the human condition, it is only a problem we haven't solved yet
your method does not solve anything only your own well being(which is fine and dandy)
problems within and then try to look outside for a fix - food, beer, drugs, books whatever. Or I might have problems within and try to fix them outside - this
friend has cancer, this feels problematic inside - If I find a a way to fix them then my problems will go away. And these fixes might help me forget my problems
but at best only for a while - so what it feels like is learning to let go of problems within, rather than trying to fix/solve them. Then I can be with life in a different way.
And here's something to consider. Maybe humanity as a whole has been walking around in a relatively unbalanced but this has come to be seen as 'normal.' But then
some folk can't deal with that so well and hit the ground hard and maybe quite often. At this point they might choose to question whether there is another way
that is even perhaps beyond the relatively unbalanced. Now, if they succeed in even a little bit in this way it might look and sound quite different from that which is
considered 'normal' and might even be called 'weird.' And folk that have managed not to have fallen hard might look at those and say 'well, I am better them because
I haven't fallen - and so what they have to say has no value, is nonsense and should be labelled (insert one of many terms that have been used on this thread.) Beyond that
what if I had become so emotionally unbalanced with anger one night that I had kick the living duck out of them. I didn't but I woke up the next morning I decided that this
wasn't how I wanted to live. So went to see a martial arts teacher and, in short, discovered through 'grappling' practices that even what I had thought of normal balance wasn't so very balanced at all and that, in a way, it was the arrogance within that I was falling over. So that brought about change - and now it would seem for many on here I am weird. And that's ok. Just maybe I was curious whether there are other people on here that would care to go through weirdness so as to open to new 'normal that is balanced and harmonious.
Magicpole
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Cool. And how do you know what is true or not?
Its kind of curious. For me the church that you speak of is where someone might stand at the front of a church and insist that their understand of truth
is better than the Truth that anyone can come to know within them of their own volition. The only way that this can possibly work is to find some
kind of way to preach fear as the truth. Otherwise one might open to the Love within the Heart and say 'sorry, you may have this title or that, this education or that , your opinions might be popular for sure...but still your words do not resonate with the Truth of the Heart that I have known for sure.'
And so, in a way, what I find in your preaching is your own version of fear that just doesn't speak to this heart. But you might have a few here that might buy into your religion (though for marketing reasons probably best give it another name right?)
Beyond this, here's a question. Would it be ok for 'you,' if there could be perhaps one small thread, in which people were free to write in a way that might not fit into 'your' understanding (thinking that might be outside the 'box' that you currently identify with) without people acting on a compulsive need to jump all over them - calling them cunts, mentally ill, deluded, quacks etc as if somehow this makes them higher, more informed, more righteous people. At the moment the answer seems like 'no.' lmao
The earth travels around the sun. True. The earth is not flat. True. We are not the centre of the universe. True. The Israelites did not wander the desert for 40 years. True. And that many more that I would need to take a month to list the falsehoods contained in all the holy books that any creator would have known.
Truth is only subjective to believers when it contradicts their beliefs.
I will flip this. You show me how any of the woo woo you spout is true.
Like all who believe you speak in metaphors, feelings, inner peace, spiritual shit. They talk of god talkibgvto tgem. Guiding them. Answering prayers. When asked to prove it they say you can’t orove it didn’t.
On that basis my nightly threesone with Emily Blunt and Nicole Kidman is a fact.
Why would any omnipotent being be so elusive and so varied across the planet?
Is it
A) he’s a right scamp
Or
B) he is man made created by men that reflected their interpretation of what god was? Giving rise to over 10,000 variations on the same theme.
I am a guy who likes evidence. Why no evidence? I can provide the evidence for real stuff. Why can’t you for this mysterious being that seems to exist only in books and easily self deluded minds?
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The sun travels around us. True. The earth is not flat. True. We are not the centre of the universe. True. The Israelites did not wander the desert for 40 years. True. And that many more that I would need to take a month to list the falsehoods contained in all the holy books that any creator would have known.
Truth is only subjective to believers when it contradicts their beliefs.
I will flip this. You show me how any of the woo woo you spout is true.
Like all who believe you speak in metaphors, feelings, inner peace, spiritual shit. They talk of god talkibgvto tgem. Guiding them. Answering prayers. When asked to prove it they say you can’t orove it didn’t.
On that basis my nightly threesone with Emily Blunt and Nicole Kidman is a fact.
Why would any omnipotent being be so elusive and so varied across the planet?
Is it
A) he’s a right scamp
Or
B) he is man made created by men that reflected their interpretation of what god was? Giving rise to over 10,000 variations on the same theme.
I am a guy who likes evidence. Why no evidence? I can provide the evidence for real stuff. Why can’t you for this mysterious being that seems to exist only in books and easily self deluded minds?
i hope the sun doesn't go round us mate :-)
Magicpole
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i hope the sun doesn't go round us mate :-)
Even I get mixed up trying to keep up. :)
crazyg
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Utter moron. I’m sorry. But one of the most tedious posters I’ve ever seen on my 7+ years on here. Avoids difficult questions and deflects his answers about something completely different before waffling on about art and spiritual guidance and pretty much any words he can think of, complete mumbo jumbo and I’m surprised many are trying to have a rational debate with him - maybe I’m wrong and somewhere amongst his waffle he has a point, probably just a WUM.
Point proved m'lud.Would you wan to try something? A question. When you have a fearful thought might this be expressed through the body in some way, might it bring a certain kind of experience? The same with anger, sadness, happiness. Isn't this what happens with actors that attempt convey emotions - not just by saying I am this or that but through the way the body, moves, maybe tone of voice, posture, how they relate with another actor etc etc?
So what if we learn to unwitting act upon arrogant thoughts - would this create a range of experience? What if suggested that it is possible to become aware of arrogance and let go of it and so be able to know experiences and ways of acting in life that are beyond this. And you don't have to agree with this but what if this lead to a sense of feeling grounded in which trouble begin to melt away - no need to fix them or try to escape them. So what if, for example, someone has so much pain from their troubles that they reached out for the oxycontin and then slowly became addicted to the fix it gave? Might his then free them? To take another example - what if someone was troubled by the idea that immigrants were attacking their englishness - how might they then choose to act? What if it is more the case that what they think of as englishness is actually a way of arrogance that is keeping their sense of troubledness nailed in place - nothing to do with immigrants. How might they then act?
Beyond that then yes I haver found the process of art to be something similar. You may find it boring, fair enough. But one thing I really enjoy is that in letting go of arrogance I feel a rootedness, (like a solidity that can be fluid) and when there might be storminess or chaos around I can just watch it, maybe move with it but it won't unbalance me. I don't know what will happen in the world but with what is going on with the likes of Trump and America and even politics in europe - i'd rather be able to feel this rootedness than not. Is practical this way.
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lust overlord
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Utter moron. I’m sorry. But one of the most tedious posters I’ve ever seen on my 7+ years on here. Avoids difficult questions and deflects his answers about something completely different before waffling on about art and spiritual guidance and pretty much any words he can think of, complete mumbo jumbo and I’m surprised many are trying to have a rational debate with him - maybe I’m wrong and somewhere amongst his waffle he has a point, probably just a WUM.
So don't read his posts if you find them so frustrating,calling him a moron is well out of order.
A definition of the word moron is somebody that doesn't think.His posts,enigmatic though they are don't suggest he's unthinking.
He has is own philosophy and way of looking at life that suits him.
Leave him too it if you don't agree.
Simple.