737-8 max plane goes down (2018) - new not Max crash Indonesia

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Just shows, after Saturday, you never know when your time is up.

This plane isn’t even 4 months old. A brand new max aircraft and huge kick in the bollox for boeing this. Their latest type of aircraft that has barely seen service for a year across the carriers.

Crashed in the sea. Total loss of life.

RIP to those gone.
 
The age of the aircraft surprised me. I automatically, maybe snobbily assumed it would be a tired, overused plane.

Boeing will be having kittens. A sad loss of life.
 
R.I.P

Very few things scare me more than the thought of going down in a plane. You are helpless, nothing you can do will effect anything now, everything you are and can be is totally dependent on luck and maybe pilot skill.
 
Doesn't matter how old the aircraft is if it's not maintained properly.

I'm not pre-judging the cause but that airline was banned from Europe until recently due to poor practices. If I was an investigator I would be looking very closely at their maintenance regime, but I'm sure they won't need telling.
 
west didsblue said:
Doesn't matter how old the aircraft is if it's not maintained properly.

I'm not pre-judging the cause but that airline was banned from Europe until recently due to poor practices. If I was an investigator I would be looking very closely at their maintenance regime, but I'm sure they won't need telling.
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Yep. The safety records in the far east are sketchy at best.

This aircraft was reporting technical faults only the day before, but was put back in the sky.

Not jumping to conclusions but I would suggest this is poor maintenance not the aircraft itself.
 
Condolences to those that are lost and impacted by this. Including those who genuinely made honest mistakes and miscalculations leading to this outcome. Puts my job’s unplanned outcomes into perspective.

(Of course if someone is guilty of negligence then they should be severely punished)
 
Think I was on a 737-8 on Saturday. Before take-off the pilot said we had a slight delay due to a minor engine control issues and we'd be ready to take off in 15 mins... I think issues with planes are quite common. It's just like the above person said, strict maintenance is needed to ensure none of the issues occur in the air.
 
Manchester1894 said:
Think I was on a 737-8 on Saturday. Before take-off the pilot said we had a slight delay due to a minor engine control issues and we'd be ready to take off in 15 mins... I think issues with planes are quite common. It's just like the above person said, strict maintenance is needed to ensure none of the issues occur in the air.
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Aircraft are designed to be fault tolerant so if there's an in flight failure there will be a backup system to carry out the function. If the aircraft is already carrying a fault it may only be a single failure from disaster which is why an aircraft should never take off if it is carrying certain faults. All aircraft have a Minimum Equipment List (MEL) which defines the minimum configuration for safe flight. The investigators will be looking very closely at whether the MEL requirements were adhered to.
 
mat said:
The age of the aircraft surprised me. I automatically, maybe snobbily assumed it would be a tired, overused plane.

Boeing will be having kittens. A sad loss of life.
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When you know who the operator is and their record you start to get unsurprised.

It would be fairly unlikely for a plane like this to come down due to poor maintenance because it was new so probably never had any maintenance.

Sounds to me like another Air France over the Atlantic plus the aircraft would of been unfamiliar to the crew. Lost airspeed indications and pilot error in handling lead to a stall and crash.
 
inbetween said:
When you know who the operator is and their record you start to get unsurprised.

It would be fairly unlikely for a plane like this to come down due to poor maintenance because it was new so probably never had any maintenance.

Sounds to me like another Air France over the Atlantic plus the aircraft would of been unfamiliar to the crew. Lost airspeed indications and pilot error in handling lead to a stall and crash.
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That Air France one spooked me. Imagine being on that! Pilots totally lost their minds in that cockpit.
 
inbetween said:
When you know who the operator is and their record you start to get unsurprised.

It would be fairly unlikely for a plane like this to come down due to poor maintenance because it was new so probably never had any maintenance.

Sounds to me like another Air France over the Atlantic plus the aircraft would of been unfamiliar to the crew. Lost airspeed indications and pilot error in handling lead to a stall and crash.
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Plane had barely cleared 4000 feet and was less than 2 nautical miles from the airfield.

It sounds like the technical fault prior was the attitude indicator having a lack of accuracy to the actual altitude.

I’d be asking questions as to why that plane was put back in the sky.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
That Air France one spooked me. Imagine being on that! Pilots totally lost their minds in that cockpit.
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Air France one was during the cruise. This was right after rotation, they ran into problems.

Also some suggestions that they had reported rudder issues to atc.

Either way a terrible loss of life on such a new plane.

The max is very different to your regular 737 and is very much Boeing’s baby.
 
inbetween said:
When you know who the operator is and their record you start to get unsurprised.

It would be fairly unlikely for a plane like this to come down due to poor maintenance because it was new so probably never had any maintenance.

Sounds to me like another Air France over the Atlantic plus the aircraft would of been unfamiliar to the crew. Lost airspeed indications and pilot error in handling lead to a stall and crash.
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It would have had daily maintenance checks and maintenance checks based on flying hours or calendar based checks.

Daily checks normally consist of things like fluid (hydraulic oil/engine oil/gearbox oil) levels checks, and pressure checks (tyres/undercarriage/hydraulic systems), plus visual inspections of high wear components such as tyres and brakes. There are also AF/BF checks in the maintenance schedule (after every flight/before every flight). It is not uncommon to have to add engine oil every day, as modern engines do consume oil as part of their running cycle.

Time based checks are for things like batteries or safety equipment, and can often involve the removal of panels or inspection covers.

There are also things such as fuel water sediment checks, which are usually carried out at the beginning of the flying day.

Any number of these vital inspections could have been missed or f*cked up (leaving a filler cap of isn't unheard of).
 
and this is why i will never ever ever fly,people keep telling me flying is safe yet they keep going down!!,my 24 yo daughter and 4 yo grandaughter flew for the 1st time to spain saturday,and i can't settle till i know they are back safe...
 
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