737-8 max plane goes down (2018) - new not Max crash Indonesia

Proy said:
Plane had barely cleared 4000 feet and was less than 2 nautical miles from the airfield.

It sounds like the technical fault prior was the attitude indicator having a lack of accuracy to the actual altitude.

I’d be asking questions as to why that plane was put back in the sky.
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Interesting data from the flight, after take off to the southwest it ascended normally for 2 minutes to just above 2000 feet, but then went into a descent for about 30 seconds back down to 1600 feet, flying towards the south, which seems a bit odd. It resumed the climb for 2 more minutes up to 5400 feet, turning northeast, where it generally flew level for about 7 minutes, before a slow descent started again even though they were continuing away from the airport to the northeast, you'd think if they had a problem they would have turned back towards the airport. In the last 20 seconds it clearly went into a dive, finally hitting the sea at a descent rate of 31000 feet per minute, so those onboard had no chance.

Flight radar you might need to be logged in to view it.
 
laughing gravy said:
and this is why i will never ever ever fly,people keep telling me flying is safe yet they keep going down!!,my 24 yo daughter and 4 yo grandaughter flew for the 1st time to spain saturday,and i can't settle till i know they are back safe...
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Flying is generally very safe, but it always makes headlines because of the numbers affected by a single incident. There are currently (as I type) nearly 16000 flights airborne, of various aircraft types and sizes. I'd imagine somewhere like Indonesia there will be more killed today in road accidents than were on this plane, but you'll not here about any of those.
 
One of the companies I work for creates lots of itineraries through Indonesia. Lion Air are on the list of airlines not to book unless a client demands it. It's actually one of those things where they're more expensive than people can get what they think is the same thing, but there's often a reason. The boat that blew up killing tourists heading out to the Gili Islands a couple of years ago was about half the price of the supplier they use.

Sometimes corners are cut for a cheaper price.
 
cleavers said:
Flying is generally very safe, but it always makes headlines because of the numbers affected by a single incident. There are currently (as I type) nearly 16000 flights airborne, of various aircraft types and sizes. I'd imagine somewhere like Indonesia there will be more killed today in road accidents than were on this plane, but you'll not here about any of those.
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To be fair, in Jakarta most of the road deaths will be from old age.
 
My worst fears were confirmed last Tuesday,when at Las Palmas waiting to return on a Jet 2 757.

I'm a bit of a geek,well UK planes,and this particular machine,G-LSAG was the one to take me back to Manchester,I kid you not I was shitting it.

Jet2 have had numerous issues with it,and I'm surprised it has not been took out of service.landing gear issues this has had,4 in about a space of 3 weeks.

We get on,taxi to runway I said to the Mrs,fucking engine sounds rough,not like they normally sound,anyway,thankfully had an ok flight and touched down just over 4 hours later.

The next day I looked on my radar to see where it had gone next,and was mortified,it had been on a test run out into the North Sea,for an hour and half,I knew it weren't right.

It's back in service now,but I'm telling you,somert don't sit right with me and that plane
 
cleavers said:
Flying is generally very safe, but it always makes headlines because of the numbers affected by a single incident. There are currently (as I type) nearly 16000 flights airborne, of various aircraft types and sizes. I'd imagine somewhere like Indonesia there will be more killed today in road accidents than were on this plane, but you'll not here about any of those.
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You are of course correct.

If Mr Gravy was to apply the same logic to all walks of life, he'd never get in a car.
 
I've just flew on a 737-86N with jet2, it was only two years old which surprised me as jet2 have old old planes but this 737 was a really good flight.
Any plane buffs on here tell me how safe the old 757's jet2 fly as they are over 30 years old?
 
manimanc said:
I've just flew on a 737-86N with jet2, it was only two years old which surprised me as jet2 have old old planes but this 737 was a really good flight.

Any plane buffs on here tell me how safe the old 757's jet2 fly as they are over 30 years old?
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Very safe, 757's are one of the most popular aircraft ever built and never really had issues.

I wouldn't be bothered about flying on old planes. They have probably replaced the vast majority of every single component but the airframe over the years. Only really the frame can be considered 'old'.

Jet2 use them because they fit a lot of people and have great performance so can be used to fly far and full but still get in and out of small airports. The US carriers still use them to cross the atlantic because nothing has really come close without having to buy something big and expensive.
 
Couldn't think of a worse way to go than being in a plane. Just knowing your time is likely up for those last few minutes and there's nothing you can do expect hope you get extremely lucky, must be absolutely awful
 
Chippy_boy said:
You are of course correct.

If Mr Gravy was to apply the same logic to all walks of life, he'd never get in a car.
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Fear of flying obviously has no logic attached to it.

I often watch flight radar if family or friends are flying, or watch flights I'm taking to see the route it will take, and I'm constantly amazed how many flights are taking place at any one time. The skies over europe in particular look full, but they 99.9% land safely without incident.
 
meeesh said:
My worst fears were confirmed last Tuesday,when at Las Palmas waiting to return on a Jet 2 757.

I'm a bit of a geek,well UK planes,and this particular machine,G-LSAG was the one to take me back to Manchester,I kid you not I was shitting it.

Jet2 have had numerous issues with it,and I'm surprised it has not been took out of service.landing gear issues this has had,4 in about a space of 3 weeks.

We get on,taxi to runway I said to the Mrs,fucking engine sounds rough,not like they normally sound,anyway,thankfully had an ok flight and touched down just over 4 hours later.

The next day I looked on my radar to see where it had gone next,and was mortified,it had been on a test run out into the North Sea,for an hour and half,I knew it weren't right.

It's back in service now,but I'm telling you,somert don't sit right with me and that plane
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That frame is over 30 years old if I’m not mistaken. Generally they go into cargo at that age. I think jet2 have a pre order with Boeing for a number of max, I may be wrong here, so I’d imagine the 757s will be retired or sold to DHL once they get them.

The plane is perfectly safe though. It’s gone through a lot more testing than most and she requires a bit more tlc, but that’s only because of her age.

I’d love to fly on it before she goes.
 
cleavers said:
Interesting data from the flight, after take off to the southwest it ascended normally for 2 minutes to just above 2000 feet, but then went into a descent for about 30 seconds back down to 1600 feet, flying towards the south, which seems a bit odd. It resumed the climb for 2 more minutes up to 5400 feet, turning northeast, where it generally flew level for about 7 minutes, before a slow descent started again even though they were continuing away from the airport to the northeast, you'd think if they had a problem they would have turned back towards the airport. In the last 20 seconds it clearly went into a dive, finally hitting the sea at a descent rate of 31000 feet per minute, so those onboard had no chance.

Flight radar you might need to be logged in to view it.
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I’ve seen a pilot suggest that there was a major rudder issue and that kind of suggest it was the case.

A rapid decent out of nowhere like that is odd in the extreme.
 
meeesh said:
My worst fears were confirmed last Tuesday,when at Las Palmas waiting to return on a Jet 2 757.

I'm a bit of a geek,well UK planes,and this particular machine,G-LSAG was the one to take me back to Manchester,I kid you not I was shitting it.

Jet2 have had numerous issues with it,and I'm surprised it has not been took out of service.landing gear issues this has had,4 in about a space of 3 weeks.

We get on,taxi to runway I said to the Mrs,fucking engine sounds rough,not like they normally sound,anyway,thankfully had an ok flight and touched down just over 4 hours later.

The next day I looked on my radar to see where it had gone next,and was mortified,it had been on a test run out into the North Sea,for an hour and half,I knew it weren't right.

It's back in service now,but I'm telling you,somert don't sit right with me and that plane
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Every airline has a Friday Afternoon build somewhere in the fleet. In my airline days we had one that just went wrong constantly. The aircraft were always known by the last two letters of their registration, and since this one was Alpha Sierra it was naturally known across the company as Always Sick. Never would have put anyone at risk, but that aircraft was a monumental pain in the arse throughout its career.
 
cleavers said:
Fear of flying obviously has no logic attached to it.

I often watch flight radar if family or friends are flying, or watch flights I'm taking to see the route it will take, and I'm constantly amazed how man flights are taking place at any one time. The skies over europe in particular look full, but they 99.9% land safely without incident.
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Me too.
In 2017, When my eldest daughter worked for Bentley Motorsport, she made 72 flights in the year. I was kept busy!
 
The previous flight for this frame was 2.5 hours late into Jakarta from DPS. It never went above 28000 feet during that flight. There was a very clear and obvious operational issue with the aircraft.

Whilst it’s far too early to be speculative, if this is down to poor operations from lion air then the correct people need to be brought to justice.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Flew on one of those from Manila to Heathrow last Thursday, after flying back from Indonesia, of all places.

Fuck me, life's a lottery.
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Indeed. Remember that one that went down in Russia/Ukraine from Holland to Australia...my Uncle got that same flight the month before and was supposed to get that very flight back on the return leg that day and it obviously never came and he had to change flights. Can happen to anyone at any time anywhere in any situation.
 
It's not just the planes,ATC has a bit to answer for as well,I was reading an article recently,(can post a link if anyone wants to read it) about how there was a near mid air collision northern Spain between 2 x 737 Ryanair,and in the comments after the article,many are saying it's just a matter of time before something serious happens in that particular airspace,very scary stuff
 
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